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New Crit and ArmP Caps for PVP !
alfalolz
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Guys has anyone tested New caps for pvp? Mainly for Armor Penetration and crit?
Ive got 4k Armor Pen in full pvp gear and thats -38% (I play dps DC) + 10% feats = 48% you reckon thats an overcap?
My crit is 30.6% - and it feels sometimes that i really need MUCH MORE!
Whats the sweet spot for ArmP and Crit speaking of dps DC's???
Ive got 4k Armor Pen in full pvp gear and thats -38% (I play dps DC) + 10% feats = 48% you reckon thats an overcap?
My crit is 30.6% - and it feels sometimes that i really need MUCH MORE!
Whats the sweet spot for ArmP and Crit speaking of dps DC's???
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Without pvp stuff, tenacity base is 20% so 40% of ArP. Resistance.
But with a full pvp set ( 4 pieces lvl 70 from glory or black ice craft + pvp rings ), we can reach 42-43% tenacity, so 84-86% ArP. Resistance.
Good luck for reach 84% Resistance ignored. Even reaching this cap of 84%, you should consider effects of 42% tenacity, wich correspond at this calculation, for crit damage :
Crit damage * ((1-0.42)^2) = crit damage * 0.34. For example, my lashing blade hit for 72k ( dummies ), but against a full pvp stuffed ennemy, it hit for 24k, een if i've got 84% arp. Awesome against a guy with 110k+ hp pool.
I've got a Pure terror. Wanna buy it so you can fight back against the Transcendents? :P lol.
In all seriousness we knew people were going to rush up the new "BiS" enchants as fast as possible.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
U are mistaken..Terror reduce the player defence by 40%..not resistance ignored by 40%..which means if the player got 10k defence, u reduce his defence to 6k and the 4k difference is equal to 10% resistance ignored being cut out by terror...but if the player got 2k defence, u reduce it to 1.2k defence which is about 800 defence gone ( -2% resistance ignored)..so terror basically effective againts tank but not on low defence class. Frankly, i still think terror is a stupid enchant..wonder why ppl buy it.
In PvP, a player have 3 "Resistance Stats" :
1) Damage Resistance : a % depending of your Defense ( 400 pts for 1% ) and your armor class ( 0.5% for 1 CA over 10 CA ).
BUT Damage Resistance is generally useless in pvp if your ennemy have more Resistance Ignored, cause of damage calculation, and your minimal DR% is equal to your Armor Pen Resistance %.
Example : you have 4K defense and 16 CA = 13% DR. If your ennemy have more than 13% RI ( from Arp, boons and Ability Score ), your DR become 0%.
An interest of reducing a stat that isn't take in consideration in the damage calculation ?
2 ) Armor Pen Resistance.
"New" stat. Equal to tenacity % *2. Your real first defensive stat in pvp : Arp. Resist. base is 40%, and you can reach 86% with pvp gear.
Example : you have 20% tenacity, so 40% Arp. Resist. If your ennemy have 38% RI, his damages are reduced. If your ennemy have 40% RI or more, your Arp. Resist become 0.
3) Tenacity.
Tenacity reduce the majority of damages ( except piercing i think, and damages from few powers like Tr's Execution. ), and it's very effective.
Calculation is : your Damage * ( 1+ your RI%-Ennemy Arp. Resist% ) * (1-Ennemy tenacity %). ( or (1-Ennemy tenacity %)^2 if it's a crit damage )
Example : your ennemy have 4k Def and 16 CA, 39% Tenacity from pvp gear ( base of 20% + 19%) and so 78% Arp. Resistance. You have 60% RI from Arp, boons and Ability score, and you hit him, before mitigation, for a 100K crit damage.
Cause of your 60% RI, Def and CA of your ennemy it's calculated like 0. So your Terror enchant reduce 40% of nothing, and real ennemy DR is his Arp. Resist.
100k * (1+0.60-0.78) * ((1-0.39)^2) = 100k * 0.82 * 0.37 = 82 * 0.37 = 30.3 K.
Defense is useless, so, to reduce defense is useless.
Terror is incredibly more effective in pve, cause DR of mobs is higher since mod 6.
i think you miss understood what 84% means , it's 84% of your arp ,
expl : let's say 4000 arp gives 40% resistance ignored , so after 84% arp resistance your effective resistance ignored will be : (4000 X 84%) - 4000 = 640 arp => 6.4% resistance ignored xD
Your calculation don't reflect my tests against lvl 70 pvp geared guys. 84% Arp. Resistance = 84% Damage Resistance in pvp for me, but i could be wrong cause of multiples variables, i readily admit.
If your calculation is true, ArP. Resistance reduce only Armor Pen, don't reduce Resistance ignored from feats, powers, ability score.
I don't know which hypothesis scares me the most
Your Calculation :
With a Crit damage for 100k before mitigation. Ennemy DR ( from 4k def and 16 ca ) at 13%, ennemy tenacity at 40% so 80% Arp. Resist. I've got 4200 Arp + 3% RI from a boon + 25% RI from a feat.
1) (4200 x 80%) - 4200 = 840 = 8% RI + 3% + 25% = 36% RI. So ennemy DR is reduced at 0.
100k * 1 * ((1 - 0.4)^2) = 36K. Close to my 30K result, but i'm a TR. Without my 25% RI from feat, i hit for 100k * (1+0.11-0.13) * ((1 - 0.4)^2) = 35.2 k. Close too.
If your calculation is true, 4000+ Arp or 0 Arp is same, Tenacity is just incredibly effective, and a crit damage is divided by 3 in pvp against a pvp geared ennemy.
Or maybe Arp. Resist. reduce the total % of RI, in may case it like (42+3+25=70%) reduced by 80% = 14% RI ?
Result is the same in my case, 14%RI>13%DR so DR = 0% so Terror have any utility.
any chance we can talk via team speak or vent or skype?
im speaking as of top RUS pvp comminuty players.
What i have understood is that Arm Pen Enchants (gems) are better to stack then Power (Radiant)? im i correct?
But need more tests for Armor Pen. Resistance calculations, a lot of variables in pvp 70, and because we can't inspect ennemies, it's trying, and a little indication from devs is welcome.
Sorry, my oral English is even poorer than my English writing
its quite possible to get 82-84 with x2 RP when we get all maxed out artifacts etc...
For the rest, we need more data, i can't say you with certainty "Try to reach 78-80% RI is better". Even with 84%, your damages will be divided by 3 cause of tenacity. So, i don't know if it's better to minimize the down of damages by Arp. Resistance or Up the base damage for counter Tenacity.