What are that video soupposed to prove?? A cw and a hr(?) manage to win 2 vs 1 against a gwf? Yeah i know your stupid class used to be able to solo 4 people, and you cant do that anymore, but not sure that warrants all your crying...
not true. cw was not good in pvp in mod and mod 3. gods in mod 4. ok in 5. seems bad so far this mod. pve sure, but not pvp.
More like, we suuuuuucked badly for pvp until mod 4, like really really badly we were one of the worst classes in pvp except maybe dc's. Then mod 4 came along, and we got buffed to ungodly hights(that cryptic for u...) until we got nerfed 3-4 weeks later, and actually we were in a good place back then. Not the strongest class but a good class overall in pvp, i havent done enough lvl 70 PvP yet to actually say how we are doing in this mod, but if lostmouth set gets nerfed, i think we will be in a pretty good place. And no whining about disintegrate in the lvl 60-69 bracket, where half the noobs run around with 25k hitpoints doesnt Count...
For Pve we have always been in a pretty good place, or well always very needed in Groups since cryptics idea of a challenge is throwing 10.000 mobs at you... For a long time we were just sing bots(which were pretty boring...) and didnt do **** for damage... Since people kept crying about that people only wanted CW's in Groups, cryptic nerfed sing, and at the same time upped our damage a bit. And yeah we are currently the king of aoe's, however our singel target damage isnt that impressive, but since people apperently are to stupid to realise that, and only look at the paingiver chart, we have all these threads about nerfing cw's...
I really don't have much to add to this discussion that wasnt said in your post.
As for the GWF comment from the OP... either you were not present during mod2 or you've got a poor memory. It took them months to fix the GWF imbalance.
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
Are you ****ing serious here? You have high mobility, 4(!) consecutive dodges, 75% deflect severity, one of the highest deflect rates, dazes, ITC, bloodbath, stealth and on top of that huge damage and 100% crit rate from stealth. So please, stop ****ting us with your "squishy TRs".
All these buffs pertain to ONE build. As I stated in the post... "based on the build". You throw a blanket over us because everyone assumes that we all take the Sab route. Ignorance is bliss until it sticks you in the back with a SoD bleed...
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
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As I have said before... UNLESS you have played a TR in both Mod 5 and Mod 6... you have no right to ask for a nerf. Learn how to die with honor and stop crying. It will only make the next time a TR drops you... much more painful.
You all whinge like babies. "TR's are too tough to fight", yet you don't whinge when you get owned by a mob in PvE. We all die in this game. We are able to respawn. I think everyone needs to meet with St. Fu and pay attention to your own toons... not what everyone else is getting.
Honestly... I feel that this is all about jealousy. You want what you perceive the TR's may have... be careful... you may get what you wish for then whinge bout something else. Honestly, if their wasn't an "issue with the TR's" you would complain about something else.
How is that working for you?
Have some personal responsibility... and stop looking over the fence at what everyone else has.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
All these buffs pertain to ONE build. As I stated in the post... "based on the build". You throw a blanket over us because everyone assumes that we all take the Sab route. Ignorance is bliss until it sticks you in the back with a SoD bleed...
You're the one who's an ignorant fool. I mentioned all the things ANY TR build has. Well, maybe except for the ITC. But hell, it's a paragon path power. You can still play all the 3 specs.
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drkbodhiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,378Arc User
You're the one who's an ignorant fool. I mentioned all the things ANY TR build has. Well, maybe except for the ITC. But hell, it's a paragon path power. You can still play all the 3 specs.
Not the least bit ignorant... and where in my post do you read that I called you an "ignorant fool"? I don't think or feel that you, or anyone else is ignorant. Ignorance does not mean ignorant... it means that someone is not looking at all of the facts. It is hard to see the facts when you don't play a TR.
Hard to see 3D with a monocular view.
I do not ply round with builds... once set it is set. We all play what we want to play. I get maybe 10 seconds of stealth, but I don't have AS or any other immunity booster that people perceive that all TR's have. Maybe you could point it out to me, on the WK Ex tree... maybe I am missing it.
In all honesty... I do not dodge much... and if I can't stealth... I will come at you face to face, after I drop smoke. I am a kick you in the mouth TR... I hide only when I need to. Why... because I like playing like that.
I do not see anything OP about TR's especially with all of the bugs and current perceived nerfs. I get my ss handed to me often. Mybe you should consider the players that you are playing against and what their gear is. I have played against a SW who was a Grandmaster... he ended up doing whatever he wanted to anyone on my team. He ended up with 43K's and 0 D's. Am I currently whinging that SW's re OP? Have I ever complained that any class was OP?
Nope... and NOPE. I play the game instead of whinging about the fact that some people are better than me. I take it as a learning opportunity... for when you play Chess against a better player... you will become better. If you play Chess against players that you beat all the time... there is no improvement and they may end up beating you.
Though I am contemplating going Sab... but I will never go MI... same reason I will never go AB in IWD.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
You're the one who's an ignorant fool. I mentioned all the things ANY TR build has. Well, maybe except for the ITC. But hell, it's a paragon path power. You can still play all the 3 specs.
Yup, we all use the exact same paragon, feat path, and dailies/encounters.
We also all stack Deflect.
Thank God I read this professional guide to playing TR. Guess I should go respec now.
Broken mechanics, broken class designs, lack of actual content, and over zealous, bronze-age moderation?
Funny to see no-name TRs defending the current TR imbalance and use terms like "l2p".
Who are you guys? Riding the skilless optrain?
I am with one of the biggest and most successful pvp guilds out there… here is the deal: I name a TR player and you name ANY class and player (thats not a TR or broken APgen DC).
I give you 5m if your named player beats my TR player in a best of ten. If I win, you post in this thread apologizing for giving an opinion based on bullsh…
Two solid, unceasing pages of attacks, insults, flames, and other material that violates the Rules of Conduct. Yeah, that's enough to get this shut down.
Please discuss, don't argue.
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What are that video soupposed to prove?? A cw and a hr(?) manage to win 2 vs 1 against a gwf? Yeah i know your stupid class used to be able to solo 4 people, and you cant do that anymore, but not sure that warrants all your crying...
More like, we suuuuuucked badly for pvp until mod 4, like really really badly we were one of the worst classes in pvp except maybe dc's. Then mod 4 came along, and we got buffed to ungodly hights(that cryptic for u...) until we got nerfed 3-4 weeks later, and actually we were in a good place back then. Not the strongest class but a good class overall in pvp, i havent done enough lvl 70 PvP yet to actually say how we are doing in this mod, but if lostmouth set gets nerfed, i think we will be in a pretty good place. And no whining about disintegrate in the lvl 60-69 bracket, where half the noobs run around with 25k hitpoints doesnt Count...
For Pve we have always been in a pretty good place, or well always very needed in Groups since cryptics idea of a challenge is throwing 10.000 mobs at you... For a long time we were just sing bots(which were pretty boring...) and didnt do **** for damage... Since people kept crying about that people only wanted CW's in Groups, cryptic nerfed sing, and at the same time upped our damage a bit. And yeah we are currently the king of aoe's, however our singel target damage isnt that impressive, but since people apperently are to stupid to realise that, and only look at the paingiver chart, we have all these threads about nerfing cw's...
I really don't have much to add to this discussion that wasnt said in your post.
As for the GWF comment from the OP... either you were not present during mod2 or you've got a poor memory. It took them months to fix the GWF imbalance.
All these buffs pertain to ONE build. As I stated in the post... "based on the build". You throw a blanket over us because everyone assumes that we all take the Sab route. Ignorance is bliss until it sticks you in the back with a SoD bleed...
You all whinge like babies. "TR's are too tough to fight", yet you don't whinge when you get owned by a mob in PvE. We all die in this game. We are able to respawn. I think everyone needs to meet with St. Fu and pay attention to your own toons... not what everyone else is getting.
Honestly... I feel that this is all about jealousy. You want what you perceive the TR's may have... be careful... you may get what you wish for then whinge bout something else. Honestly, if their wasn't an "issue with the TR's" you would complain about something else.
How is that working for you?
Have some personal responsibility... and stop looking over the fence at what everyone else has.
You're the one who's an ignorant fool. I mentioned all the things ANY TR build has. Well, maybe except for the ITC. But hell, it's a paragon path power. You can still play all the 3 specs.
Not the least bit ignorant... and where in my post do you read that I called you an "ignorant fool"? I don't think or feel that you, or anyone else is ignorant. Ignorance does not mean ignorant... it means that someone is not looking at all of the facts. It is hard to see the facts when you don't play a TR.
Hard to see 3D with a monocular view.
I do not ply round with builds... once set it is set. We all play what we want to play. I get maybe 10 seconds of stealth, but I don't have AS or any other immunity booster that people perceive that all TR's have. Maybe you could point it out to me, on the WK Ex tree... maybe I am missing it.
In all honesty... I do not dodge much... and if I can't stealth... I will come at you face to face, after I drop smoke. I am a kick you in the mouth TR... I hide only when I need to. Why... because I like playing like that.
I do not see anything OP about TR's especially with all of the bugs and current perceived nerfs. I get my ss handed to me often. Mybe you should consider the players that you are playing against and what their gear is. I have played against a SW who was a Grandmaster... he ended up doing whatever he wanted to anyone on my team. He ended up with 43K's and 0 D's. Am I currently whinging that SW's re OP? Have I ever complained that any class was OP?
Nope... and NOPE. I play the game instead of whinging about the fact that some people are better than me. I take it as a learning opportunity... for when you play Chess against a better player... you will become better. If you play Chess against players that you beat all the time... there is no improvement and they may end up beating you.
Though I am contemplating going Sab... but I will never go MI... same reason I will never go AB in IWD.
Yup, we all use the exact same paragon, feat path, and dailies/encounters.
We also all stack Deflect.
Thank God I read this professional guide to playing TR. Guess I should go respec now.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
Who are you guys? Riding the skilless optrain?
I am with one of the biggest and most successful pvp guilds out there… here is the deal: I name a TR player and you name ANY class and player (thats not a TR or broken APgen DC).
I give you 5m if your named player beats my TR player in a best of ten. If I win, you post in this thread apologizing for giving an opinion based on bullsh…
Tsss… all these arguing pug trs these days…
Please discuss, don't argue.
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