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  • ofnieslafofnieslaf Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    This is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

    what's so funny?

    deft strike, vp, dazing strike is a better rotation than deft strike, itc, dazing strike since u always harass your opponent, no one escapes a whisperknife, especially a scoundrel wk

    regards
  • suddenlyslowsuddenlyslow Member Posts: 818 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ofnieslaf wrote: »
    what's so funny?

    deft strike, vp, dazing strike is a better rotation than deft strike, itc, dazing strike since u always harass your opponent, no one escapes a whisperknife, especially a scoundrel wk

    regards

    I know very well the benefits of deft/vp/ds, but that has nothing at all to do with your claim of WK being "...better than mi, more damage, more survavibility, same cc breaker". MI has a far superior CC break that also grants increased survivability -- and it almost always works unlike VP which hardly ever works except as a gap closer. WK has less damage, less surviability, and a far worse cc breaker since it doesn't work except as a gap closer -- and if the target is in range and if the target doesn't have one foot around a corner.
  • ofnieslafofnieslaf Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I know very well the benefits of deft/vp/ds, but that has nothing at all to do with your claim of WK being "...better than mi, more damage, more survavibility, same cc breaker". MI has a far superior CC break that also grants increased survivability -- and it almost always works unlike VP which hardly ever works except as a gap closer. WK has less damage, less surviability, and a far worse cc breaker since it doesn't work except as a gap closer -- and if the target is in range and if the target doesn't have one foot around a corner.

    worse survivability? okay.. you can believe that. but it seems you forgot a certain passive that wk have and that offhand boosts. but ok
  • denvalddenvald Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 702 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    not just HR, any rooting powers
    among many other things that are wrong in pvp
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  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    ofnieslaf wrote: »
    worse survivability? okay.. you can believe that. but it seems you forgot a certain passive that wk have and that offhand boosts. but ok

    Then tell me: in this world of PvP, where people take the "path of least resistance" when it comes to selecting builds/paths, why is that; (a) the absolute majority of all TRs in all skill levels are MIs, (b) EVERY major TR players in the highest skill levels are MIs?

    Because people are masochists?
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    denvald wrote: »
    not just HR, any rooting powers
    among many other things that are wrong in pvp

    Right. No unmitigated damage. No undodgeable attacks. This isn't much to ask for, and in the span of 1.5 years, they still haven't been able to give us that.
  • ofnieslafofnieslaf Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Then tell me: in this world of PvP, where people take the "path of least resistance" when it comes to selecting builds/paths, why is that; (a) the absolute majority of all TRs in all skill levels are MIs, (b) EVERY major TR players in the highest skill levels are MIs?

    Because people are masochists?

    they dk the true potential of wk, let them be sheep. when itc will be nerfed they will scream around like headless chicken and will become terrible at tr, where wks wont be affected and will still know how to play the class

    regards
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    ofnieslaf wrote: »
    they dk the true potential of wk, let them be sheep. when itc will be nerfed they will scream around like headless chicken and will become terrible at tr, where wks wont be affected and will still know how to play the class

    regards

    Who are you in game again?
  • ofnieslafofnieslaf Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Who are you in game again?

    you arent fooling anyone kweassa

    regards
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    ofnieslaf wrote: »
    you arent fooling anyone kweassa

    regards

    That's not what I asked. I asked you, who are you in game?

    At this point I doubt you are even a TR, but rather a troll, because every WK TR knows that up until mod5 trapper roots cannot be broken out of with VP. Neither can you break out of Icy Rays.

    The moment I mentioned I was a WK you mentioned VP as a means to break out of trapper roots, which is why I knew you hadn't even used a WK in real life, which is why I said, "Go try it".

    So, who are you in game? What's your WK TR spec at, that which you claim has superior damage, survivability and utility to MIs, and as a result treat every top-level MI players as ignorant fools that "don't know" a WK is superior?

    I wish to see just what kind of a WK TR you are.
  • geministrikegeministrike Member Posts: 146 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    Mirrorballs, suddenlyslow and ofnieslaf;

    Can you three keep your discussion about the TRs out of my topic please. Also mirrorballs and ofnieslaf please also keep your personal discussions out of this topic.

    Is it so hard to read? I'm going to copy what I typed on my topic;

    "DO READ: As you can clearly see this topic is created to share opinions about HR roots not puking blames on other classes or skills. If you have concerns about other matters please do share them on other related topics or create your own as this topic is not the right place to do it. Thank you."
  • suddenlyslowsuddenlyslow Member Posts: 818 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Mirrorballs, suddenlyslow and ofnieslaf;

    Can you three keep your discussion about the TRs out of my topic please. Also mirrorballs and ofnieslaf please also keep your personal discussions out of this topic.

    Is it so hard to read? I'm going to copy what I typed on my topic;

    "DO READ: As you can clearly see this topic is created to share opinions about HR roots not puking blames on other classes or skills. If you have concerns about other matters please do share them on other related topics or create your own as this topic is not the right place to do it. Thank you."

    I will do as you request and my apologies for following the derail attempt by ofnieslaf (who I assume must be a trapper HR). My input was meant to show that VP does not work on trapper roots but I forgot the initial intent of the thread as ofnieslaf continued to troll.

    To clarify and contribute correctly:

    I cannot dodge HR roots nor can I break free of them with my escape power (vengeance's pursuit).
  • userutf8userutf8 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    OK, man, you added vids :-)
    Now you need to formulate the question correctly and it will no longer look like a trollish topic. Firstly about "dodging roots":

    There are 2 opportunities:
    1. You can dodge roots but:
    1.1) Constricting arrow casting time is close to zero. => you can dodge constricting arrow only if you are already in the middle of the dodge.
    1.2) If you are in the middle of the dodge the AoE radius of roots is calculated respectfully to your *current* position.
    1.3) As AoE of roots has greater radius than half (or even 2/3) of any dodge on any toon has, you get rooted.
    So you can theoretically dodge roots only if you started dodging *right before* (milliseconds before) HR casted constricting arrow. The chance of it is close to zero though.
    OR
    2. Roots are broken, and you physically cannot dodge them. No, they aren't. Why? If it was that you won't be able to dodge rooting from hindering strike as well. And it can be easily dodged, disrespectfully to applying roots.

    Morale: you cannot (you have close to zero chance to) dodge roots *if* constricting arrow was applied to you.

    Secondly, about "intended to be" and "ridiculous". It may or may not be intended - only devs can answer this and they often ignore topics like this, so you won't probably get the answer anyways. There are many ridiculous things in this game, and most people say that the most ridiculous of those things are often somehow connected to TRs, xD.
    ABSOLUTE
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    Secondly, about "intended to be" and "ridiculous". It may or may not be intended - only devs can answer this and they often ignore topics like this, so you won't probably get the answer anyways. There are many ridiculous things in this game, and most people say that the most ridiculous of those things are often somehow connected to TRs, xD.

    You mean like the old-version Piercing Blades? Like the old Constricting Arrow? The old-version Grasping Roots? The old-version Shocking Execution? I seem to recall "it's WAI" or "the devs not saying anything must mean it's OK" being the favorite excuse for people who exploit broken mechanics.
  • geministrikegeministrike Member Posts: 146 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    At the end of the day. It really is impossible to dodge these roots and yea they do need a **** fix. Anyone who claims that they don't please use your head.
  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Why does no one complain about Icy Rays? You can't dodge them as well. And CW deals like 10000 times more damage then HR. Video of CW being CC'd through dodge, lol, such a hypocrisy.
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  • geministrikegeministrike Member Posts: 146 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    mehguy138 wrote: »
    Why does no one complain about Icy Rays? You can't dodge them as well. And CW deals like 10000 times more damage then HR. Video of CW being CC'd through dodge, lol, such a hypocrisy.

    My goodness, you guys won't quit not reading the topic will you? I don't know how many times do I need to remind this but please read the topic before commenting please. Once again I'm copying what I typed on the topic...

    "DO READ: As you can clearly see this topic is created to share opinions about HR roots not puking blames on other classes or skills. If you have concerns about other matters please do share them on other related topics or create your own as this topic is not the right place to do it. Thank you."
  • obsydian666obsydian666 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mehguy138 wrote: »
    Why does no one complain about Icy Rays? You can't dodge them as well. And CW deals like 10000 times more damage then HR. Video of CW being CC'd through dodge, lol, such a hypocrisy.

    Another CW hater?^.^. Yes, indeed Icy rays are undodgeable but everyone know that, it is annoying fact even for me as CW ( i am not using icy rays except fighting with TRs, but your post is only merly try to dissipation from main topic. In fact there are more undodeable skills in this game like :
    -Flourish- even if you make dodge, not all but some damage and sometimes stun will hit you
    -Crescendo- why must I make 2 dodges to avoid this skill?
    -indomitable strengh- even if you dodge first hit of this skill, you can be hit and proned by second hit.
    Your post is only act of ignorance and hate 1 class.

    PS. And this post is really good becouse many people thought that the HR roots can be avoid, and now you have a proof- no they can not be dodged.
  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    "DO READ: As you can clearly see this topic is created to share opinions about HR roots not puking blames on other classes or skills. If you have concerns about other matters please do share them on other related topics or create your own as this topic is not the right place to do it. Thank you."

    All overpowered/broken abilities should be fixed all at once. One enjoys their SE/LB one shots, permadaze and permastealth and cries about roots being broken, while another is poor CW. Because of mentioning the most overpowered and pseudo-nerfed class as an example of equally broken stuff not being fixed I got blamed for hating that class. Typical CW.

    Remove undodgeable roots, and HR will have no tools to beat CW, TR or DC. CW dealing 10k Storm Spell crits while healing up to full twice per second, DC taking zero damage permastunning and burning you down, TR permadazing/piercing/onehitting/dodging twice a second, HR rooting you through dodge having zero cooldowns - this all should be fixed AT ONCE.

    And yes, roots are WAI, because Grasping Roots NATURALLY deal damage to control immune targets aka dodging targets, and ancient/thorned roots are applied BY EITHER ROOTS CC EFFECT OR THAT DAMAGE FROM GRASPING ROOTS MECHANICS.
    M6 almost drains your soul given how boring it is. (c) joocycuzzzzzz
  • utuwerutuwer Member Posts: 393 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Another CW hater?^.^. Yes, indeed Icy rays are undodgeable but everyone know that, it is annoying fact even for me as CW ( i am not using icy rays except fighting with TRs, but your post is only merly try to dissipation from main topic. In fact there are more undodeable skills in this game like :
    -Flourish- even if you make dodge, not all but some damage and sometimes stun will hit you
    -Crescendo- why must I make 2 dodges to avoid this skill?
    -indomitable strengh- even if you dodge first hit of this skill, you can be hit and proned by second hit.
    Your post is only act of ignorance and hate 1 class.

    PS. And this post is really good becouse many people thought that the HR roots can be avoid, and now you have a proof- no they can not be dodged.
    To add to your list:
    -Shadow strike will daze you even if you dodge it.
    -Sunburst goes through any kind of cc immunity.

    And these powers are undodgeable since day 1 of this game, I guess people should start accepting HR's root is one of them.

    To OP, none can answer your question beside Devs.
    You say 4v5 is impossible? Cool story bro.
  • ofnieslafofnieslaf Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mehguy138 wrote: »
    And yes, roots are WAI, because Grasping Roots NATURALLY deal damage to control immune targets aka dodging targets, and ancient/thorned roots are applied BY EITHER ROOTS CC EFFECT OR THAT DAMAGE FROM GRASPING ROOTS MECHANICS.

    defending an undodgeable mechanic.

    shame on u
  • geministrikegeministrike Member Posts: 146 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    These roots are way out of line. It is impossible to move if you are caught out of immunity. I'm not saying the damage, power, speed or whatever should be changed. I'm saying that they should be dodgeable. These roots are so out of line that they even cancel the dodge aswell. I mean what kind of power would stop the dodge while you are in the middle of the dodge. They need to be fixed. Period.
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    mehguy138 wrote: »
    Why does no one complain about Icy Rays? You can't dodge them as well. And CW deals like 10000 times more damage then HR. Video of CW being CC'd through dodge, lol, such a hypocrisy.

    Who says people don't complain about Icy Rays? Was this an Icy Rays thread?
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    mehguy138 wrote: »
    And yes, roots are WAI, because Grasping Roots NATURALLY deal damage to control immune targets aka dodging targets, and ancient/thorned roots are applied BY EITHER ROOTS CC EFFECT OR THAT DAMAGE FROM GRASPING ROOTS MECHANICS.

    So that actually makes it even worse, and double the BS factor than just being undodgeable.

    Now, undodgeability has been upgraded to inevitability -- no matter what you do, there's no way to avoid the damage, hence there's no way to avoid the CC.

    I'd better start petitioning the devs to bring back the "inevitability" to Shocking Execution again and see how HRs like that HAMSTER. Feel just like old times, eh? It's totally fair to the GWFs and SWs of course, since then nobody will be able to avoid SE. So fair.
  • noetic2noetic2 Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    This seems to me to be a grudge that is being held against HRs because at one time they were the dominant class in PvP. And at one time Roots were seriously annoying. Now, they are not.

    All CCs are NOT created equal. Roots are not the equal of Stun, and they are not the equal of Daze. (They do not render you helpless.) And CWs can both seriously out damage and out CC Trappers. Trappers have no advantage over melee classes 1v1, and that is the only time that Dodge really matters. Roots don't hold long enough or do enough damage to be lethal at range. And no Trapper is a match for a GWF or GW toe-to-toe in melee. All we can do is chip away and evade. And if we miss a dodge, we are either proned, or stunned, or dead. Something that is not true for less squishier classes.

    edit: I have been rereading posts and have to say, I still don't get it. Constricting Arrow does not have any wind up and is near instantaneous. No way to get a read on it in order to dodge it. And if you happen to be in the middle of a dodge, I don't think I'll be to be able to get a lock on you. I'm guessing that the complaint is that if a TR happens to be dodging when the first tick of Roots hits that his dodge is interrupted. Again, what's broken about that? I've already nailed you.
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    noetic2 wrote: »
    This seems to me to be a grudge that is being held against HRs because at one time they were the dominant class in PvP. And at one time Roots were seriously annoying. Now, they are not.

    All CCs are NOT created equal. Roots are not the equal of Stun, and they are not the equal of Daze. (They do not render you helpless.) And CWs can both seriously out damage and out CC Trappers. Trappers have no advantage over melee classes 1v1, and that is the only time that Dodge really matters. Roots don't hold long enough or do enough damage to be lethal at range. And no Trapper is a match for a GWF or GW toe-to-toe in melee. All we can do is chip away and evade. And if we miss a dodge, we are either proned, or stunned, or dead. Something that is not true for less squishier classes.

    So which of them is UNDODGEABLE?

    edit: I have been rereading posts and have to say, I still don't get it. Constricting Arrow does not have any wind up and is near instantaneous. No way to get a read on it in order to dodge it. And if you happen to be in the middle of a dodge, I don't think I'll be to be able to get a lock on you. I'm guessing that the complaint is that if a TR happens to be dodging when the first tick of Roots hits that his dodge is interrupted. Again, what's broken about that? I've already nailed you.

    You don't get it? I'll spell it out for you again.

    It's U-N-D-O-D-G-E-A-B-L-E


    What's the whole point of this thread before some HR apologists with double standards came in and tried to mask the issue into making this a HR vs. other classes OP fight mess? The whole issue is that this particular aspect of the class is...

    UNDODGEABLE
    UNDODGEABLE
    UNDODGEABLE

    Get rid of the undodgeable HAMSTER and its fine. Otherwise every single one of you who've ever complained about undodgeable Shocking Execution before mod5, or how it's almost impossible to evade 1-shot TR attacks, are simply showing double standards.
  • marnivalmarnival Member Posts: 1,432 Arc User
    edited March 2015

    What's the whole point of this thread before some HR apologists with double standards came in and tried to mask the issue into making this a HR vs. other classes OP fight mess? The whole issue is that this particular aspect of the class is...

    UNDODGEABLE
    UNDODGEABLE
    UNDODGEABLE

    Get rid of the undodgeable HAMSTER and its fine. Otherwise every single one of you who've ever complained about undodgeable Shocking Execution before mod5, or how it's almost impossible to evade 1-shot TR attacks, are simply showing double standards.

    I see your back to your old self KWEASSA trolling like the troll you are.

    Writing hard against something that actually are a danger to your beloved Tr class that has been ruling supreme in a hole module should ofc be done in LARGE TEXT and in plenty threads.

    Now go back to writing as plentyful and as emotional about everything broken in the Tr class mkay..

    Nothing unresistable should be ok but as it is we have cw icy rays we have tr stuff enough to poor out of our ears we have dubble mechanics on gwf gf dailys etc etc.

    Weather root is wai or not have not been answered by the devs to my knowladge until then should focus on the broken things in the most broken class that have existed in any game what so ever the infamous Tr in NW.

    As long as you run around asking for nerf from other classes playing Tr your just a dissgrace to all that playes pvp.
  • noetic2noetic2 Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So which of them is UNDODGEABLE?
    No way that I'm going to get in a pissing match. I just need to get this explained to me. What do you mean "undodgeable"? And why are you picking on Roots? I look at them as the same as DOT damage. Do you expect to be able to dodge poison? Do you expect Dodge to prevent you from bleeding out? Constricting Arrow doesn't work any differently from HR at wills. If I can get a lock on you, I will strike you. The trick is getting a lock.
  • kangkeokkangkeok Member Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    utuwer wrote: »
    To add to your list:
    -Shadow strike will daze you even if you dodge it.
    -Sunburst goes through any kind of cc immunity.

    And these powers are undodgeable since day 1 of this game, I guess people should start accepting HR's root is one of them.

    To OP, none can answer your question beside Devs.

    I actualy agree with this..there are other CC in this game that are undodgable not that just roots.
  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2015
    marnival wrote: »
    I see your back to your old self KWEASSA trolling like the troll you are.

    Writing hard against something that actually are a danger to your beloved Tr class that has been ruling supreme in a hole module should ofc be done in LARGE TEXT and in plenty threads.

    Now go back to writing as plentyful and as emotional about everything broken in the Tr class mkay..

    Nothing unresistable should be ok but as it is we have cw icy rays we have tr stuff enough to poor out of our ears we have dubble mechanics on gwf gf dailys etc etc.

    Weather root is wai or not have not been answered by the devs to my knowladge until then should focus on the broken things in the most broken class that have existed in any game what so ever the infamous Tr in NW.

    As long as you run around asking for nerf from other classes playing Tr your just a dissgrace to all that playes pvp.

    Thank you for all of the personal insults.

      Do you have anything other to say about it being
    UNDODGEABLE?
      What's your excuse for a power being
    UNDODGEABLE?
      If you think being
    UNDODGEABLE is okay, then obviously you should have zero gripes about how GWFs and SWs have no way of avoiding SE, am I correct?


    Of course, I fully expect you to dodge all of these questions and just keep sticking to personal insults, since that's what you do around here. Despite your foul troll of an existence, you know all to well that you can't openly deny UNDODGEABLE powers is something that should not be in PvP, and how much people hate these. Hence, since you have nothing to talk about the issue itself, naturally you start the insults again. Predictable.

    Without all your insults and hatemails and general trash and grief you tend to send others, you don't really have anything to add in this discussion. You never did.

    (ps) Or, actually, do come up with some terrific excuse as to have undodgeable powers in game. That'd actually be interesting. An openly double standard argument on grounds that you simply hate someone.. LOL!
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