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lemonchilllemonchill Member Posts: 523 Arc User
edited February 2015 in PvP Discussion
hr/cw/gf/sw and gwf

hr has 22.7k

cw has21.1 k

sw has 18.3 k

gf has 22.2 k

gwf has.... 11.8 k


"omg!!!" says the hr "wth a freaking 11.8 k **** on our team!"

"what!" says the cw "really? what the hell are you doing here newbie!!!!"

"f this we lost" says the gf

"**** i hate those noobs" says the sw

gwf keep silent ignoring those remarks.

fight starts and yes gwf has hard time dealing with high end game pvp players so at some point his team decides it not worth it "playing with only 4 ppl against the other team and just camp.

and off course the harsh insults from gwf team goes on and on until pvp ends and even beyond that.

yes im that gwf that only wanted to play some pvp at nw?
why you may ask?

1 because i can and im entitled to play pvp just as any other player regardless what his gs is

b because i want to get enough seals to buy the pvp artifact and buy good pvp gear.currently there's no other way to get it!

so how am i supposed to do that if the moment a team notice they have a low gear player at their team they try to kick him ( some exploit) or insult him sometimes ppl just leave disconnect or just camp so game will be over fast.

so just like 1001 other posts here regarding pvp gear score making experience bad for players at neverwinter heres another one:

fix this problems by making a 3 lvl pvp mode!!!!

a ppl how just got to lvl 60 almost no boons still have blue gear and low gs 6-14k

b higher lvl gs players say 15-19k have pvp gear some boons etc

c top league pvp guilds and 20k or higher gear score players so they can compete and have fun with ppl with their own lvl.


"so ppl will go with low gear and swap gear the moment they are in?" some players may claim

solution for this problem is very simple: disable gear and enchantment swapping once you are in pvp area as simple as that.

or make some other way for new players to be able to get the pvp artifact and good pvp gear !

im pretty sure nothing will be done about it even after this post but i just had to write it and express what almost every new player with low gear score and no good pvp gear feels like when they enter pvp area.

i suggest devs to try to enter without their prefect artifacts and perfect gear into the pvp area and see what ppl experience every time when they are "not good enough cause they have low gear etc" im pretty sure this will be a learning experience for them!




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  • thedemienthedemien Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    good story bro. Im keep hearing it since mod 3. Unfortunately. But hell maybe devs will listen to you. Miracles do happen. it just has same chance as drop of arti belt from dragon in mod 4.
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2015
    We've been asking for bracketing since Mod 3.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Hi lemonchill! Glad to see that you are back.

    Yeah it is really tough to gear up via PVP. I tried to do it with my HR but I never really got much farther than Grim gear before saying it's just not worth the grief or hassle so I turned him into a PVE HR.

    I think a lot of people level up via PVP so that they have a vast stash of glory to spend once they get to lvl 60 so they don't have as much gearing up issues. But of course that doesn't help if you already have a lvl 60 character that you'd like to try out with PVP.

    Good luck and I hope everything goes well with you.
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2015
    Are you at least using gear that is PVP-suitable? There is blue gear that has Tenacity and defensive gear (regen, defence, deflec, HP) that can be bought cheaply from the AH.

    I myself get frustrated by low GS players that have not made an effort to pick up some basic PVP gear and are still running around in PVE gear.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • blackrainzblackrainz Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2015
    high chances of MOD 7 (with new lvl cap and new artifacts) being released before improving pvp system or fixing N/W issues.
  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    That GWF can still play a sacrificial lamb and capture nodes. One just needs a brain to play domination.
  • godlysoul2godlysoul2 Member Posts: 661 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2015
    Next mod will have no regen while in combat. This will make newbies/lesser geared individuals more effective in the PvP scene, especially when with other team members. (Although this is countered by the power creep, I still believe it will have a more positive effect than negative in this instance. It would appear most people seem to be of the opinion that stat effects are diminished at lv 70 regardless, making stat stacking give less of an advantage compared to now.)

    Other than that all you can do is let them know you will do your best, you will get fight point where needed, and that your goal is to get the PvP gear so that you can get better.

    Personally I enjoy the challenge of carrying lesser geared individuals on my teams. Then again, I am a TR, so I don't get much challenge from anything else :/
  • thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2015
    vasdamas wrote: »
    That GWF can still play a sacrificial lamb and capture nodes. One just needs a brain to play domination.

    This is the thing few players, even more experienced PVPers fail to grasp. A low GS player can still be of use barring they have at least 2/3 other people on their team that can handle 2v1s. Just be an irritation.

    I recall a match where 4 of us were 18 - 20k and we had a 10k CW. The enemy was all 17-20k as well. After about 6 minutes the CW starts saying that he just doesn't stop dying and that he's gonna camp. One of the guys on my team asked him not to and that he should go stand on the bridge over mid (Rivenscar) and just pester the enemy from range and if someone did run up to get him he should run away. It worked. Him being a nuisance and getting players to go on a wild goose chase helped us to come back from a deficit and win. Sure, he died over 20 times but it helped.
    PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    lemonchill wrote: »
    i suggest devs to try to enter without their prefect artifacts and perfect gear into the pvp area and see what ppl experience every time when they are "not good enough cause they have low gear etc" im pretty sure this will be a learning experience for them!

    You assume too much. Firstly that the devs actually play this game and secondly, even if they did, that any of their gear would be legendary and their enchantments perfect.
    Our pain is self chosen.

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  • suddenlyslowsuddenlyslow Member Posts: 818 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I say as long as you have fun, lemonchill, to the Nine Hells with what the rest of the team says.
  • beatannierbeatannier Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 692 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I inspected some dev in Protector Enclave a few days ago. He wasn`t all legendary/perfect, just mid geared one.
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    beatannier wrote: »
    I inspected some dev in Protector Enclave a few days ago. He wasn`t all legendary/perfect, just mid geared one.

    That "dev" was likely Akro, our community manager. He's the only Cryptic employee I have ever seen online besides the dude that does lockbox trading.
    Our pain is self chosen.

    The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
  • emilemoemilemo Member Posts: 1,718 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    lemonchill wrote: »
    ..snip..

    They just want your money man, nobody gives a HAMSTER about your story. You are entitled to one thing only, you have only one right. The right to spend money on ZEN. This is how it is over here and not just here, any Cryptic game has the same problems ( http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1378241 ).

    So, relax, come mod 6 the gap between bis and casual will be much bigger. But we shouldnt care in the slightest. You know why? Cause it doesnt matter either way. Playing or paying it matters not. We all get the same shaft up the bottom when Cryptic changes things and especially when they try to "balance" things out. I played the paying game, I have a bis character and that means nothing at all. I still get HAMSTER PVP matches thanks to an idiotic match making system. So **** Cryptic. Lets just be free players for as long as we can enojy this game. Then we move on

    The only people who really benefit from this game are chaters and exploiters anyway. People who botted tons of RP and are still selling it. People who made/are making millions of AD in less than legitimate ways. They are the true winners here.
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  • svekoljsvekolj Member Posts: 65
    edited February 2015
    meh, they-re a bit slow, we once won a game and we had a 4k on our team, and general gs was 11 to 18k, also over 10k is ok by any standard. Not that a 11k gwf can do much other than running and capping but that has only been my experiance and I don-t have a desired pvp spec. and frankly I don-t want it.
  • lucifron44lucifron44 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Pfft, I thought it would be a funny sorry, like:

    We are on page 5000 of the PUG Leaderboard. Players #1 to #4 are 10k, player #5 is a gwf with 25k.
    Player #1 says "Hey we've won already, we have a 25k!"
    Player #2 says "Hey we've lost already, we have a gwf!"
    Russian leaderboard first page. The proof.
  • martianmnhuntermartianmnhunter Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Bro are you talking to me? I don't know how can I help you with this issue..oh, You're talking to the devs? You haven't heard? Devs don't read these forums. Good luck man!
  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    If I end up with 4 6k GS ppl against a 22k+ premade, I thank cryptic for their fantastic ELO system (btw, this really happened to me, my 24k GWF and 4 ~6k french dudes against a full PvP premade).

    If all my teammates chat in a foreign language or are from the same guild, I try to educate them, that ELO matches premade against premade, ignoring GS etc. I ask them to either que seperated or full premade, so sobs like me wont end up in their 'premade'.

    Matchmaking or the lack of is cryptics fault, not the players.
    Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    the fact that 4 ppl camp cause of one weak mate in the team, only insulting and shouting, tells me only one thing: these four players have generall problems doing pvp or competing against equal geared player, so insulting a low gs class is very welcome having a victim.
    there will allways be 20k+ loser in pvp that compensate their lag of skill by trash talk,
    but i don´t recognize these trash talks that much, probably i have most of them on ignore?
  • heruwath1heruwath1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    the fact that 4 ppl camp cause of one weak mate in the team, only insulting and shouting, tells me only one thing: these four players have generall problems doing pvp or competing against equal geared player, so insulting a low gs class is very welcome having a victim.
    there will allways be 20k+ loser in pvp that compensate their lag of skill by trash talk,
    but i don´t recognize these trash talks that much, probably i have most of them on ignore?

    ++1 on that
  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    the fact that 4 ppl camp cause of one weak mate in the team, only insulting and shouting, tells me only one thing: these four players have generall problems doing pvp or competing against equal geared player, so insulting a low gs class is very welcome having a victim.
    there will allways be 20k+ loser in pvp that compensate their lag of skill by trash talk,
    but i don´t recognize these trash talks that much, probably i have most of them on ignore?

    If I play my 24k PvP GWF I get insulted as PTW ****, if I play a low GS char (16-19k GS) I get insulted for beeing undergeared. If I kill someone, I get insulted for killing him, if I get killed, I get insuted for getting killed. I PuG and I get insulted for going premade, bc I had better luck with my teammates, than the other guy.

    Usually I ignore them or put them on ignore. Funny thing is, if you respond to them, pointing out the flaw of their arguments, they put you on ignore.^^

    I do my best and try to ignore the trash talk, but tbh I sometimes post things like '4 ppl on home base, bold choice for a tactic' or 'dont step on a node, I heared, that your char gets deleted, if you cap/defend a point for more than 10 seconds'. My comments in TS would violate ROC due to abusive language rule.^^
    Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Not productive. Satirical or sarcastic threads are not considered constructive feedback and are not allowed.
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