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Lifesteal Suggestion: Something different
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With all the suggestions going around. I thought I'd throw out one I've been having
Please do not judge this on the numbers provided, the numbers are purely there to show how the concept would work.
1 : Lifesteal has a % proc chance for all classes, this may differ depending on class.
2 : Lifesteal stat determines how much life you get back. this could be a flat 1/1 exchange, or have diminishing returns, An example could be that you have 4500 lifesteal and are a Scourge warlock, The base proc chance for warlocks is 10% (chance is lower for large aoe attacks?) (purely an example) Lifesteal has a 2/1 return ratio on points to Life gained. as such. You would have a 10% chance to gain 2250 hp back after a single target hit so averaging out at 225 hp return on hit. As we can see these numbers are quite high, but all numbers can be subject to adjustment. Keeping in mind 4500 lifesteal is pretty large amount of points you'd be losing on other stats. I will say it again, Base your opinion on the overall concept. not the numbers.
What do you guys think?
Please do not judge this on the numbers provided, the numbers are purely there to show how the concept would work.
1 : Lifesteal has a % proc chance for all classes, this may differ depending on class.
2 : Lifesteal stat determines how much life you get back. this could be a flat 1/1 exchange, or have diminishing returns, An example could be that you have 4500 lifesteal and are a Scourge warlock, The base proc chance for warlocks is 10% (chance is lower for large aoe attacks?) (purely an example) Lifesteal has a 2/1 return ratio on points to Life gained. as such. You would have a 10% chance to gain 2250 hp back after a single target hit so averaging out at 225 hp return on hit. As we can see these numbers are quite high, but all numbers can be subject to adjustment. Keeping in mind 4500 lifesteal is pretty large amount of points you'd be losing on other stats. I will say it again, Base your opinion on the overall concept. not the numbers.
What do you guys think?
People are way too negative, Why cant we just all get along.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
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RNG is stupid mechanic used by lazy ppl who cant be bothered working on real solution
The list of successful games with RNG (or PRNG) elements is so long it doesn't even need to be mentioned, So its not that its used by "lazy people"...
Obviously with the changes to regen incoming also I would prefer it be similar to it is now with a % on every hit, so I still have some form of sustain, but the developers dont seem to want that. so I'm just trying to think up ideas. Thanks for the input though.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
Critical - cant be really made skill based(aka. target zones like headshots) since it would create too many problems cause of differences in latency etc. though i would prefer crit removed from game
Deflect - should be removed or worked in block mechanics, players can control their character well enough to gtfo from attacks, deflect would serve the same purpose in target locked/ PnP games
Life steal is not random, check Artemis Entreri vampiric dagger, that is how life steal works .
My problem with people saying RNG has to go is that means Crits have to go (Never going to happen..) Deflect has to go, Damage ranges on abilities have to go (so everything does an exact amount of damage, Which is kinda dull), Half the existing enchantments need to go (I wouldnt mind if they removed rng off these and made it a flat ICD) And so on. Without these random elements Sure, the feeling of "that sucks he got lucky" would largely go away but so would those WTF moments when YOU get lucky and feel awesome. Maybe Lifesteal shouldn't be RNG, and should just work as it does in other games, thats fine. I think so too, this idea was just trying to at least give the RNG some uniform in all classes having a % chance that doesnt change.
I'm wondering if its pure rng in neverwinter, or if they use a PRNG type system for it.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
on tabletop version dice is used because isnt possible to take players mechanic skill into account
you cant evade or aim attack on tabletop that is why you roll, you can do these things in game that is why we dont need the random here
So every attack should be a crit and every hit should be a heal to full? Yeah no thanks that sounds incredibly boring and a bad game.
are u a moron or just pretending ?
if u have played any modern fps you know how crit should work(you aim and do damage depending on hitbox), but for technical reasons its really hard to implement in mmorpg due to latency issues, that is why crit might be acceptable(or better yet just remove it from game, we dont really need crits) we have combat advantage that can replace it.
attacks are aimed by player(at least they should be) so hitting target depends on player not RNG, but while it works(more or less) for melee, it wouldnt really work for ranged for same latency reasons, thus we are forced to have target lock
deflect should either be removed from game or made as active skill, like block
every heal full ? dafuq are u smoking
My Hunter ranger (with quite low % chance lifesteal) got heals almost 3 times as often as my GWF (who has a higher lifesteal stack), and not once did I have too use a potion. Thinking of this, my Hr's gear is around 13.5k gearscore, while my GWF is around 19k (I did some tests using their normal gear directly from live.) that was why my idea was to give each class a uniform % chance which takes into consideration how their spells work/ how fast they deal damage.
If it has to be RNG, I'd like it to at least be a more uniform rng, and the amount you "steal" is whats affected by your stat. That being said, I'd much rather it go back to being every hit, Like howalmost every other MMO / MOBA / RPG I've played treats it.
Latency affects melee also.
I can understand your points. RNG can be really "un-fun" , But its a basic part of neverwinter, and MMO's as a whole, Drops are RNG, Damage ranges are RNG , etc.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
This game is exceptionally easy, your skill example would mean I would crit 100% of the time. Since you want lifesteal to work with no rng, that means it would do the same, which means I would be healing to full with one encounter every encounter. That is why your idea is a complete and utter failure and that it's mind boggling to think that someone thinks it's a good idea.
how much $ did u win in 2014 cs world championship mister 100% headshot ?
oh please do explain me how a f... % from damage dealt@100%chance life steal stat, capped at x% of max health/second, working over y seconds would be an insta heal or RNG ?
Gone for 3rd option, i hate the idea of life steal nerf.
A few examples, GF is kinda dead since long, if regen is out of game, then life steal should at least help.
What will be out of classes that depend on life steal or have just a bit of it, like a GWF, totally useless, but i fear for the SW too.
All together these changes with the coming new mod seem more negative, then positive to game play. The real game braking issues are still not in eye sight.
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That's where some of us disagree. Current lifesteal is a gamebreaking problem because you can become an immortal god and never worry about dying currently.
As it is on live, there's a relatively low point where it becomes better for your survival to stack damage instead of lifesteal, since lifesteal absolute returns scale with damage. The version on the PTS, for all that it has thrown a hammer at a lot of existing builds, greatly raises the soft cap at which you want to stop stacking life steal and start stacking power.
Ok, this won't show up on the poll, but I'd amend the idea in the following way: proc chance goes away, but returns remain based on lifesteal rating alone, not a calculated proportion of damage, and are given over a few seconds. This would stack, but with a ~1 sec. internal cooldown. Depending on how hard they wanted to hit AoE lifesteal, AoEs might generate two stacks instead of one if they hit three or more targets.
Class features, feats, etc. that increase lifesteal by a percentage would have to be tweaked, certainly. To retain their current efficacy, most would have to confer significantly greater numbers, or reduce the ICD on gaining stacks or... I don't know. I don't have a solid answer there, but it's something that I'd be willing to see explored.
This. thank you for the awesome feedback, and I personally love your modifications to it.
I wouldnt have it as a HoT though, and for AOE abilities I would scale the return based on targets hit (so aoe skills do give more than single target, but its scaled to match, perhaps 1 target 100% efficiency, 2-3 at 50% (so 100-150% total) 4 at 40% and 5+ at 33% efficiency , These obviously are rough numbers but overall it means that the most you're going to get is around 150-170% for multiple targets as most skills have a hit limit on targets. The ICD is a good idea though, This basically means multi hitting skills wont drain a huge amount over a short time, but because the amount drained is based on your lifesteal stat, and not your damage, it balances out.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
Lifesteal Stat is now the amount you are healed by off every attack? So say I have 5000 Lifesteal (how would you propose the ToD boons as well as Lifedrinker BTW)
What would my self heal be based off of?
So purely as an example using actual numbers. you have 5000 lifesteal stat, Lets just say for this case that the scaling was 2:1 to make things simple. so 5000 Stat means 2500 heal from your hit (less in PVP due to HD? or would lifesteal be exempt from this??) , with the 1 second icd (maybe this should be longer) . boons could increase the actual overall stat by a %. and lifedrinker could do the same. That could be an example.
so adding to this my idea of scaling depending on targets hit. 33% for 5 targets (big aoe skill) = 165% return for 4125 heal off the aoe skill. which is a fair bit, but not crazy , and not RNG
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
maybe even we could gather a list of questions and ideas on the forum and then they reply to that, however sadly the chances of that are slim.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
Their next solution is to add more buggy script into the game to nerf the CWs use out of the RNG lifesteal. This is only going to cause more issues than it's worth. Not to mention this is hurting the hell out of GWFs already. It was an idea, they put it to the test, and it's not holding up well.
Either keep the old lifesteal, which has worked as everyone's consensus, and allows high single target damage to survive, or go with the stacking HoT option. My guardian fighter or Great weapon fight should not be punished because we dont hit as many targets as the CW. And that's what the Random chance option will do. Enough with random chance. Enough with caster supremacy.