I think shield (Control Wizard) could use a tone down

fantasycharacter

Right now a Mage can be tankier than a GF or GWF with one power. Seems a lot overpowered.


Maybe a slight tweak is in order?

ayroux

I forget exactly how it works but if I reacall even at the "broken" version its still like 35% DR? Maybe its less but just to give someone perspective here.

Shield and Tenacity are both layers of DR that cannot be mitigated by armor pen or any other type of buff. It is its own layer (not only tested but also confirmed by Crush himself).

So lets hypothetically say a CW has only 20%DR base but has 25% tenacity and 35% shield (broken) and the attacker deals 25k damage with 1 crit with 30% armor pen.

30% ARP mitigates out the entire DR of the CW making that worthless. THEN 25k is diminished by tenacity and then diminished by shield.

25,000*(1-.25)*(1-.35)= 12,187.5 final damage for a "DR" Equivalent of 51.25% UN-mitigatable DR.

Now take a GF stacking defense who is sitting at a base 60% DR and who also has 25% tenacity. Gets hit with the same 25k damage.

His DR eats 30% of the ARP and nets 30% DR left. Then is mitigated by tenacity:

25,000*(1-.3)*(1-.25) = 13,125 final damage for a "DR" equiv of 47.5% MITIGATEable DR (atleast the remainder of his 30% DR).

So Yes, OP is right. CWs actually are the tankiest class in the game - above a Sentinel GWF or GF for base DR. The only reason a GF can outtank a CW in damage taken is shield or GWF with unstoppable.

But then dont forget shield wont always be broken and CWs can heal themselves an extra 1k ticks ontop of their regen. Just saying....


So before you flame the OP, it is correct CWs are very very tanky even when shield is broken.

obsydian666

Ok now->start the game-> log in-> click Leaderboard -> look at numbers of deaths-> CW is very op in this aspect, half of players are CW! Almost like TR on first pages of leaderboard but in kills and win matches.

Nerf CW plis.

I dont think shield need any changes, besides if drow sets (That does not give any bonuses for shield) will go on live then probably shield should disappear from tab and CW will go full offensive with 2x RoE and then you could start to cry- plis nerf CW dps.

valencay

obsydian666 wrote: »

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I think they forgot what 2x tabbed RoE can do

charononus

The problem isn't shield but the fact that they nerfed classes like the GWF to the ground with things like unstoppable nerfs.

rabbinicus

No.
Please no more nerf threads.
Asking for nerfs to other classes, especially for PvP, never ends well for anyone.
CW's are still much, much easier to kill than GF's or GWF's (assuming players of equal skill or lack thereof).

rayrdan

Im not saying is a primary problem but in the global balance thing shield and 16k storm spell are absolutely something to look at

rabbinicus

rayrdan wrote: »

Im not saying is a primary problem but in the global balance thing shield and 16k storm spell are absolutely something to look at

According to your sig, you have a 21K TR and a 24K HR. You should be eating all but the top geared CW's for lunch. As Charnous points out, the issue isn't with CW's but the way other classes were nerfed - precisely because of problems like this with people spending a lot of time on the forum complaining about it.

So no, no more nerf threads of any kind.

rabbinicus

embracemysword wrote: »

Well, the PvP crowd at least is testing and reporting, while the PvE crowd just doesn't really care (mobs don't/can't complain). Regarding CW's being an easier kill than GF or GWF... Erm, no, not really. Neither the GF nor the GWF can teleport and control their attacker from afar. It is ridiculous, that a cloth wearing class is tankier than a plate wearing class, there's no denying that and it is something that should be looked into.

The PvE crowd is playing and enjoying. So are some of the PvP crowd. But unfortunately some of the PvP crowd prefer to spend too much time complaining on the forums when they can't faceroll a match or get their backside handed to them.

I consistently find (again, assuming similar gear and skill levels) that CW's are easier to kill than GF's and GWF's. A well played CW who is specced for PvP is an absolutely monster until you get the drop on them. The argument of "plate or mail vs. cloth" is a silly one to bring in when you're talking about a high magic environment like this one. All the more so since we have GWF's sprinting quite a bit in full mail, while swinging blades the size of biplane propellers....

loboguild

We have 50% TRs running around for a reason and you open up a thread about CWs Shield... nice!

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lewstelamon01

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