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Tyranny of the Piercing Damage

zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
edited December 2014 in PvE Discussion
Ok, so I thought devs learned that we have no wish to see piercing damage in Neverwinter anymore after module 4. Not after that module of pain and suffering where Red Glyphs and Combat Hunter Rogues, and CWs reigned supreme. Yet there we go, piercing damage gets reintroduced with Trickster Rogue revamp.

And not just some piercing damage but... THE Piercing Damage. One that allows Trickster Rogues to 1 HKO with their Shocking Execution, or with the help of Shadowy Opportunity, quickly evaporate anyone's HP with just at-wills. Were you a scrub or a drug (elixir) addicted e-leet-eest with the best in slot gear, you're doomed.

Nothing stands against the tyranny of the piercing damage. It ignores defense, deflect and tenacity and messes with your head, and guts. I tell you.

So I say stop, Piercing Damage! Get back to the Nine hells whence you came from!
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  • mfgamesysmfgamesys Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I made a poll on this about hr piercing damage. Well looks like we have to convince the devs again that this sort of thing does not belong again.
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  • tourtastourtas Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mfgamesys wrote: »
    I made a poll on this about hr piercing damage. Well looks like we have to convince the devs again that this sort of thing does not belong again.
    VOTE for NO if you wanna go to heaven.
    also.. options 2 and 3 are the same thing... :P
  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    tourtas wrote: »
    VOTE for NO if you wanna go to heaven.
    also.. options 2 and 3 are the same thing... :P

    No it's not! If you stick pototato sticks in your mouth and pretend to be a walrus while reading this.. well, it's the perfect voting choice!
  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Unmitigable, unavoidable, passive, "auto/freebie/proc" type of stuff needs to be strictly controlled.
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Unmitigable damage has been creating significant problems in the past, they have all been addressed and fixed one by one, i think its clear we can see "piercing damage" or "unmitigable" has always been causing problems, I would like to vote to have that removed.
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  • wyndrarchwyndrarch Member Posts: 147
    edited December 2014
    I like that more people like potatoes than they do Piercing Damage. I don't actually mind piercing damage when it works correctly or isn't OP. Problem is, that doesn't really happen.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mmmmmm potatoes
  • wyndrarchwyndrarch Member Posts: 147
    edited December 2014
    To be fair, potatoes are indisputably THE best vegetable, at least in terms of taste and use. It's hard for anything to stand up to that.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    wyndrarch wrote: »
    To be fair, potatoes are indisputably THE best vegetable, at least in terms of taste and use. It's hard for anything to stand up to that.

    You can make pancakes out of them. Potatoes are OP and will probably be nerfed soon.
  • ortzhyortzhy Member Posts: 1,103 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2014
    Hard to tell... I feel extremely tanky as a gwf when i dont face piercing and extremely weak when i do, maybe it just needs a bit of scaling down, but i do see a reason for it to be here. So i;ll take my potatoes:rolleyes:
  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    piercing damage can be used but it needs to be changed to something that doesnt ignore tenacity and buffs from skills, feats, stuff like block, unstoppable, etc.
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  • nazghul22nazghul22 Member Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    zvieris wrote: »
    THE Piercing Damage. One that allows Trickster Rogues to 1 HKO with their Shocking Execution, or with the help of Shadowy Opportunity, quickly evaporate anyone's HP with just at-wills.

    Looks like the devs had everything covered. Not the slightiest chance that a TR could ever lose a fight.
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  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Woah guys, you really like potatoes, don't you :eek:
  • zxornzxorn Member Posts: 160 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2014
    Wait... Can I vote again? I clicked NO! so quickly that I didn't read the others and I def like potatoes.

    Piercing damage works to unravel what was previously a well setup stat allocation and mechanics system. Procs and free crits do the same.

    I don't speak for PvE as I don't care about PvE.

    They introduced Tenacity only to mock it with piercing damage. - Neither really belongs in this game but you don't tie your shoes together like that. You'll just trip and look stupid.
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Piercing damage has its place - like if the amount of piercing damage to be done is based on a calculation that already took damage resistance/deflection into account, so as not to be hit twice by these defensive values. Outside of that scenario, I don't think it should be used.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Unmitigated damage seems like it's impossible to balance. Make everything mitigatable and then adjust damage numbers to balance it.

    Sadly now this poll has put a pseudo math story problem in my head.

    An Artificer builds a potato gun that shoots a potato at 3/4 the speed of light. Assuming adamantine shields and armor, how many guardian fighters will the potato penetrate thru.
  • sprawlfxsprawlfx Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    You can make pancakes out of them. Potatoes are OP and will probably be nerfed soon.

    That is what I am talking about. I went to Holland. I walked down streets openly doing things that the scum who run my country would lock me up for. I bought magic mushrooms in a leather shop. But the most treasured memory I brought back? Potato pancakes!

    ( I had my magic mushroom party crashed by Japanese tourists! It was LOL-o-rific!)
  • obsydian666obsydian666 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Well...some people add their stats to defense, tenacity, deflect...they just want to be tanky. Then why ordinary TR with 16k gs can come and deal to tanky character 30k+ dmg from SE?:)

    No for Piercing Damage.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    obsydian666 wrote: »
    Well...some people add their stats to defense, tenacity, deflect...they just want to be tanky. Then why ordinary TR with 16k gs can come and deal to tanky character 30k+ dmg from SE?:)

    No for Piercing Damage.

    im more drastic. NO TO PROCS.
    no piercing no storm spell, no storm somewhat, i dont want to see procs anymore.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    obsydian666 wrote: »
    Well...some people add their stats to defense, tenacity, deflect...they just want to be tanky. Then why ordinary TR with 16k gs can come and deal to tanky character 30k+ dmg from SE?:)

    No for Piercing Damage.

    double post
  • dante126pldante126pl Banned Users Posts: 257 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2014
    all passive procs should be removed from the game and spread the dmg around skills im tired of this 0 skill required class mechanics.
  • arbitrarityarbitrarity Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Shadow of Demise is fine, it's based on damage after mitigation. SE and Shadowy Opportunity are bad, but making them respect Tenacity would be enough (though doubling Shadowy Opportunity damage and letting it be mitigated would be a big PvE buff)
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