then what about ice knife? 45k CW
what about ray of enfeeblement + icy ray 33k combo? CW
what about intimidation 36k aoe in mod 5? GWF
what about 27k burn you to death? DC
I don't see anyone talking about this...
Speaking as a gwf i can say 36k intimidation procs are very situational, you need to have a good crit ( % chance), a debuffed target, and more than 9000 power, and even then the dmg w/o crit is around 7-10k
At the same time a tr with 5000 power can just stealth hit a button and viola 41k dmg and refreshed cooldowns
Speaking as a gwf i can say 36k intimidation procs are very situational, you need to have a good crit ( % chance), a debuffed target, and more than 9000 power, and even then the dmg w/o crit is around 7-10k
At the same time a tr with 5000 power can just stealth hit a button and viola 41k dmg and refreshed cooldowns
See the difference?
its not that simple..
Conditions have to be right for the tr also..
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then what about ice knife? 45k CW
what about ray of enfeeblement + icy ray 33k combo? CW
what about intimidation 36k aoe in mod 5? GWF
what about 27k burn you to death? DC
well logged in my 20k hr today faced a 19k and a 22k tr in a match highest exe was 69!!! k hit.
I bounced between mid and rezz as every time i got out a was greeted by a one shot hit as both was exe built, very humbleling to say the least.....
Ok, I am pretty sure most of the TR's in this thread don't really know whats going on. There is no way to gear up to fight against what some TR's are doing! Today all my damage damage reduction and defensive buffs did nothing and I was taking 65K in the face from the first attack from an invisible TR. Our GF was globalled with his shield up!
Whatever is happening, for whatever reason, it is much more severe than people seem to want to believe.
I play only PUG PVP as well
the average PVP player will allways feel under power against skilled PVP player
as far as I see, the best players in the game are PVP players
all perfect, crazy amount of HP = 45K hp CW, TR and HR are common
very high power 7-9K
best enchants and equip
and build for kill and survive
if you meet one of them in PUG PVP you have no chance (I am 18K DC)
as much as I hate seating by the fire and tell stories, I am sure there intention was not sitting bellow and stare the sky for 7 min
they should let those player do pre plan pvp where they can sign on a board to do guild or pre build matches
bottom line, I cannot say if one class power is fair or unfair. some powers have bugs but that's it
the reason for this experience-having no chance- is already given in earlier posts, atm pvp is dead, there is no playing for pugs like mine, mod 4 was bearable even with the experience of beeing controlled to death sometimes by OP-CW
my SW does no PVP, my DC is bored because of this unbalances game, grouping doesn´t work due to the fact only a hand full of player go PVP, normally top-equipped
in my opinion there is no discussion about unbalanced mod 5, just go pvp and make this experience on ur own--its a fact
its a pitty how slow the reaction of the devs is, a pitty how long it takes, because its destroing the rest of so called pvp
and before the topic is closed and my post deleted....
if the devs would care about money, they wouldn´t get this mod 5 to live, i think its more or less a bad work in a bundle
now i´m forced to revive old accounts of less boring mmorpg that i just didn´t want to touch any more;)
until next time neverwinter
Saboteur is broken as hell (especially WK and it's even worse on human race)
Scoundrel is OP
Executioner is lame easy play and makes 13k TRs think they are good
Atsaliagos
I must counter this statement on executioners as it is completely wrong. The play style that executioner demands is the only one that actually requires skill, reflexes, positioning, cunning as it is all about landing that 1st strike.
WK saboteur spamming at wills from stealth and scoundrel perma stunning is lame easy play.
I play only PUG PVP as well
the average PVP player will allways feel under power against skilled PVP player
as far as I see, the best players in the game are PVP players
all perfect, crazy amount of HP = 45K hp CW, TR and HR are common
very high power 7-9K
7-9k power is only on mod 4 they have 11k to 13k power in this module. most of us don't have that kind of gear the problem is when they see a TR with 11 to 13k power one shot them, and they will say every TR can do it even if the GS is 10k and they will say in this forum a 5k tr one shot me my hp is 60k and 50 percent DR even though most of us will not believe it. If a player wants to be at par with those people with high GS Don't be a free loader in this game spend some 5 grant or shut the hell up.
I must counter this statement on executioners as it is completely wrong. The play style that executioner demands is the only one that actually requires skill, reflexes, positioning, cunning as it is all about landing that 1st strike.
WK saboteur spamming at wills from stealth and scoundrel perma stunning is lame easy play.
Seems we have opposite view points on this.
" all about landing that 1st strike" for me is the exact opposite of skill and cunning. Positioning is beyond easy(we stealth). And the reflexes required are in order to dodge away and wait for the right time to come back and repeat that 1st strike.
I don't know how long u are in here but this is back to mod.1 when executioners would First Strike+Lurker's Assault+Stealth+Lashing Blade to 1 shot ppl and then run n' hide till cooldown.
Seems like a step backwards to me.
I stand by my belief that a lot of players don't know how to properly build and play in PvP and still judge class balance by experiences against players who out-gear them.
Well, on the gwf side of the house, I think I am built and geared fairly well. Unfortunately it does not take a heavily geared or equally geared TR to one-shot me with SE, bud. I know of one that is 15k and is solely a 1 trick pony with SE. That's all he does in IWD, knocks peoples heads outta their butts with SE, goes and refills AP and repeats the process until he gets bored.
SE and Saboteurs are being addressed. Check preview patch? That so hard? Test much? Probably not. So again, stop lumping all TR's into one super Non - existent build.
I didn't lump them. But I'm not gonna call out a specific build just to keep you guys happy. I have already specifically agreed that SE needs addressed. That daily specifically. If you don't use it doesn't concern you. I didn't say TR's need nerf because some have SE.
SE and Saboteurs are being addressed. Check preview patch? That so hard? Test much? Probably not. So again, stop lumping all TR's into one super Non - existent build.
You call that SE addressed? So a BiS TR won't be hitting for 60k, but will still be hitting for 48k. Which is meaningless as most PvP builds focus on getting 45k. Only GFs and some GWFs reach for higher. But guess what, they can't even dodge SE. So they'll die from the following SoD proc or an at-will anyways.
I wouldn't call that addressing SE. That's a joke.
You call that SE addressed? So a BiS TR won't be hitting for 60k, but will still be hitting for 48k. Which is meaningless as most PvP builds focus on getting 45k. Only GFs and some GWFs reach for higher. But guess what, they can't even dodge SE. So they'll die from the following SoD proc or an at-will anyways.
I wouldn't call that addressing SE. That's a joke.
untrue !
shocking is hitting for 20k max and is being affected by damage reduction. Can even be deflected.
untrue !
shocking is hitting for 20k max and is being affected by damage reduction. Can even be deflected.
shame on you
Go away you cheap liar. SE ignores ALL DR and tenacity and can hit for 60k with high crit severity and and power build out of stealth. You play TR so at least have the dignity to read your own class' tooltips and actually test in-game before lashing out in forums.
Go away you cheap liar. SE ignores ALL DR and tenacity and can hit for 60k with high crit severity and and power build out of stealth. You play TR so at least have the dignity to read your own class' tooltips and actually test in-game before lashing out in forums.
BS.
go on the preview server and test the actual things.
you are just another warrior without shame coming on forums to spam their so called truth.
you know what im doing that for you, wait for a screenshot to be here in 5 min
there is no one on preview however try it your self on a purple shield cw or on a guarding GF
untrue !
shocking is hitting for 20k max and is being affected by damage reduction. Can even be deflected.
shame on you
I was getting hit by SE for 18-20k by a scoundrel rogue while he was using perfect bile . Bump this up by 50% with a perfect vorpal and add some crit severity pots along with the right build for SE and your getting close to 38k.
Well, i just entered in the Preview server to study the changes on the Destroyer's Purpose feat.... but they are not implemented yet... So, let me say that i think the changes on TR-class are not implemented either.
Well, I've had much lesser geared TRs hit me harder than Rayrdan did just a few minutes ago on ptr.
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Speaking as a gwf i can say 36k intimidation procs are very situational, you need to have a good crit ( % chance), a debuffed target, and more than 9000 power, and even then the dmg w/o crit is around 7-10k
At the same time a tr with 5000 power can just stealth hit a button and viola 41k dmg and refreshed cooldowns
See the difference?
its not that simple..
Conditions have to be right for the tr also..
^Those ignore DR?
Don't forget tenacity!
I bounced between mid and rezz as every time i got out a was greeted by a one shot hit as both was exe built, very humbleling to say the least.....
Very true. Your head must be there for the TR to knock it outta yer ace.
Ok, I am pretty sure most of the TR's in this thread don't really know whats going on. There is no way to gear up to fight against what some TR's are doing! Today all my damage damage reduction and defensive buffs did nothing and I was taking 65K in the face from the first attack from an invisible TR. Our GF was globalled with his shield up!
Whatever is happening, for whatever reason, it is much more severe than people seem to want to believe.
the average PVP player will allways feel under power against skilled PVP player
as far as I see, the best players in the game are PVP players
all perfect, crazy amount of HP = 45K hp CW, TR and HR are common
very high power 7-9K
best enchants and equip
and build for kill and survive
if you meet one of them in PUG PVP you have no chance (I am 18K DC)
as much as I hate seating by the fire and tell stories, I am sure there intention was not sitting bellow and stare the sky for 7 min
they should let those player do pre plan pvp where they can sign on a board to do guild or pre build matches
bottom line, I cannot say if one class power is fair or unfair. some powers have bugs but that's it
my SW does no PVP, my DC is bored because of this unbalances game, grouping doesn´t work due to the fact only a hand full of player go PVP, normally top-equipped
in my opinion there is no discussion about unbalanced mod 5, just go pvp and make this experience on ur own--its a fact
its a pitty how slow the reaction of the devs is, a pitty how long it takes, because its destroing the rest of so called pvp
if the devs would care about money, they wouldn´t get this mod 5 to live, i think its more or less a bad work in a bundle
now i´m forced to revive old accounts of less boring mmorpg that i just didn´t want to touch any more;)
until next time neverwinter
I must counter this statement on executioners as it is completely wrong. The play style that executioner demands is the only one that actually requires skill, reflexes, positioning, cunning as it is all about landing that 1st strike.
WK saboteur spamming at wills from stealth and scoundrel perma stunning is lame easy play.
7-9k power is only on mod 4 they have 11k to 13k power in this module. most of us don't have that kind of gear the problem is when they see a TR with 11 to 13k power one shot them, and they will say every TR can do it even if the GS is 10k and they will say in this forum a 5k tr one shot me my hp is 60k and 50 percent DR even though most of us will not believe it. If a player wants to be at par with those people with high GS Don't be a free loader in this game spend some 5 grant or shut the hell up.
" all about landing that 1st strike" for me is the exact opposite of skill and cunning. Positioning is beyond easy(we stealth). And the reflexes required are in order to dodge away and wait for the right time to come back and repeat that 1st strike.
I don't know how long u are in here but this is back to mod.1 when executioners would First Strike+Lurker's Assault+Stealth+Lashing Blade to 1 shot ppl and then run n' hide till cooldown.
Seems like a step backwards to me.
Well, on the gwf side of the house, I think I am built and geared fairly well. Unfortunately it does not take a heavily geared or equally geared TR to one-shot me with SE, bud. I know of one that is 15k and is solely a 1 trick pony with SE. That's all he does in IWD, knocks peoples heads outta their butts with SE, goes and refills AP and repeats the process until he gets bored.
I didn't lump them. But I'm not gonna call out a specific build just to keep you guys happy. I have already specifically agreed that SE needs addressed. That daily specifically. If you don't use it doesn't concern you. I didn't say TR's need nerf because some have SE.
You call that SE addressed? So a BiS TR won't be hitting for 60k, but will still be hitting for 48k. Which is meaningless as most PvP builds focus on getting 45k. Only GFs and some GWFs reach for higher. But guess what, they can't even dodge SE. So they'll die from the following SoD proc or an at-will anyways.
I wouldn't call that addressing SE. That's a joke.
untrue !
shocking is hitting for 20k max and is being affected by damage reduction. Can even be deflected.
shame on you
Go away you cheap liar. SE ignores ALL DR and tenacity and can hit for 60k with high crit severity and and power build out of stealth. You play TR so at least have the dignity to read your own class' tooltips and actually test in-game before lashing out in forums.
BS.
go on the preview server and test the actual things.
you are just another warrior without shame coming on forums to spam their so called truth.
come on preview and ask to the SHOCKED.
there is no one on preview however try it your self on a purple shield cw or on a guarding GF
If it has been fixed appropriately, then it's a done deal.
Actually, Ill go to preview and let you demonstrate on me if you're available.
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Shocking Execution deals 17256 (19686) Physical Damage to Pherrow-II 9
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Shocking Execution deals 17531 (19105) Physical Damage to Pherrow-II 9.
here you are
i have 5300 power, 2900 armor pen, perfect vorpal, scoundrel on ptr
the guys here said i cant share a screenshot of its gears
http://i61.tinypic.com/14y4uia.jpg'
thanks pherrow !
I was getting hit by SE for 18-20k by a scoundrel rogue while he was using perfect bile . Bump this up by 50% with a perfect vorpal and add some crit severity pots along with the right build for SE and your getting close to 38k.
Well, I've had much lesser geared TRs hit me harder than Rayrdan did just a few minutes ago on ptr.