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Ninja nerf on GWF's DR???
clonkyo1
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This may be just my own impression, but i am feeling that, from this last patch up till today, my tank GWF (39k HP, 5.8k on power, 44.7% DR and 45% on deflect in P. Sent set [waiting for the Drow Sent set] + N. Barkshield enchant) is taking a lot more damage not just from TRs, which now, a 12k with 3k on power and 2k on ArP can one-shot me when, before this last patch, they could not; but from all other classes too like GF's AoD or bull or Archer HR's Thorn Ward in 1v1 situations (so, no 3rd players' debuffs on me). Did any other GWF-player noticed this too or, as i said, is just my own impression?
Random Quotes:
- "perfect vorpal on TR with 100% crit chance is flat 50% dmg increase"
- "30% defense reduction does not necessarily mean 30% damage increase"
- "Oh!! 'Professions!!' :facepalm: , Good luck!"
- "For anyone who wants to change their enchants but wants unbound ones, trading with players/using the auction house is the way to go"
- About Barb's Avalanche of Steel: "Basically a perfect daily attack. That's the problem; it is immaculately PERFECT."
- "perfect vorpal on TR with 100% crit chance is flat 50% dmg increase"
- "30% defense reduction does not necessarily mean 30% damage increase"
- "Oh!! 'Professions!!' :facepalm: , Good luck!"
- "For anyone who wants to change their enchants but wants unbound ones, trading with players/using the auction house is the way to go"
- About Barb's Avalanche of Steel: "Basically a perfect daily attack. That's the problem; it is immaculately PERFECT."
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The only thing that changed to GWF survivability on last patch was the loss of the bonus deflection from DEX which was intended for TRs only.
executioners have a feat that gives them 25% armor pen on top of the 20% or so they get from gear. unless you have more than 50% resist, then your defense doesn't matter to them.
it's the main reason why executioners nuke the tank classes so much
The feat reduces Armor by 25% not damage resistance. It's referring to your Armor Class. Though I'm not sure if it means the number value or the DR% granted, either way it should comes out to 3-5% RI.
It would make more sense if it was armor pen as to why it's a 2nd to last tier feat.
Comparing it with the last 2 set in scoundrel together giving +50% damage for more than 1 single attack is laughable. Top this kinda damage with Deft Strike's unavoidable auto daze then shocking execution and I think Exe rogue damage is the least of the problem this module.
testing on preview in icewind dale:
base armor pen: 14%
stealthed lashing: 92% damage goes through after mitigation
assumed resist of mobs: 22%
executioner stealthed lashing: 100% damage goes through after mitigation with a 5% bonus from vicious pursuit i guess although i thought that procs after the 1st hit but not b4 it's calculated.....
if it works as you say it does, i shouldn't have bypassed the last 8% of the mobs resist but only 5.5% of it.
edit: this guy is talking about a gwf getting 1-shot by a rogue. only executioners can do that and scoundrels practically lose their entire feat tree vs a gwf.
i will admit that a scoundrel can overwhelm classes without immunity with that deft strike combo (daily is unnecessary), but that's highly dependent on if there is nobody else to prevent you from killing the guy. that rotation is meant for 1vs1 and gets screwed by a more coordinated group since scoundrels can't just hide in stealth.
and all master infiltrator rogues can use shocking execution. although sabs 1-shot anyone with bloodbath.
No, it's the other classes who raised their damage. Mod5 builds emerged.
thought he meant the patch from 4 days ago. unless he was dependent on the dex bug, executioner capstone bugging out, or fury warlocks doing less damage with a feated killing flames, then nothing really changed since mod 5 started.
but ya, everyone kinda got stronger with the introduction of mod 5
last patch as in mod 5 or 1 of the patches for bug fixing afterwards?
because both rogues and clerics got a complete rework and now function completely different from b4 this module and vary significantly down to each feat tree.
i don't really look into other classes so i know little about their changes
FYI, Deft Strike is avoidable/dodgeable. Yes, if it hits you will be dazed, but it can be dodged and the attack can be interrupted.
But I won't feel bad, wanna know why? You'll turn out just like TR's when you're re-buffed: Arrogant.
The arrogant ones are the players who ask for indiscriminate nerfs and never think before coming here and post suggestions.
For example, CWs QQed for months about Unstoppable just cause they could not understand a simple mechanic such as DPS burst/ CC in between unstoppable, kite and at-will spam during unstoppable.
Module 2:
FLS QQ--->right
Threat Rush QQ--->right
Unstoppable QQ--->wrong
Would you just put charges on threat rush and tone down FLS damage, a CW would have been able to kite a GWF during unstoppable and solve the issue.
Module 3---> Fix (not nerf) Roar and increase cooldown a little bit. Along with FLS tone down and TR charges. Then burst down a destroyer in between Unstoppable. But no, again, Unstoppable was the problem.
So we got a double nerf on Unstoppable (determination gain AND DR) and that's why GWF is absurdly now less survivable than TRs and HRs.
People never think about the whole picture, but rather what they can't counter. Unstoppable DR was never an issue since you were not supposed to rotate an unstoppable GWF. Yet, it got a nerf. Would devs nerf only either determination gain OR damage resistance from Unstoppable, would've been bearable. But due to nab QQ, they double nerfed it, then removed prones, then nerfed some more DPS, and buffed other classes again and again, most likely to please the angry anti-GWF crowd (who is still quite angry, which is funny considering how weak the class is right now).
Then now we get lame intimidation stuff. Which still makes the class less survivable than current TRs, HRs, DCs, GFs, but allows you to cast AoE utility encounters to deal massive single target damage on overgeared tank builds.
Read it again.
AoE UTILITY encounters used to deal MASSIVE SINGLE TARGET damage on a TANK BUILD which actually has MEDIOCRE SURVIVABILITY.
Those 3 things should exclude each others. Utility should not deal massive damage. AoE should not deal massive single target damage. Tank builds should not deal massive damage. Tank builds should not have mediocre survivability.
Would the QQers think twice instead of giving false feedback or unreasonable feedback, GWFs would be much more balanced and a new buff would not be needed. Be angry with them. Some of them still complain about sprint.
gateway, thanks to exist.
I just got around to testing this, you're right it's 25% armor pen. You'd think I'd learn not to trust the tooltips in this game by now.
Also have you tested the CC immunity with scoundrel? The devs have a knack for forgetting CC immune targets when adding abilities, I recall trample the fallen working with CC immune targets for a while back in the day and currently Sun Burst ignores CC immune. Just wondering since it would affect which I choose as a final build.
I didn't mean it was mechanically un-dodgeable, I meant that it's incredibly unlikely that you can dodge it on purpose. A TR could use it immediately or wait a second, you can dodge anticipating it and they can wait it out. That's if you know they're even there, they don't have to cross a node to use it. There's little you can do to react to it unlike lashing blade or other abilities in the game.
How does one interrupt a stealthed rogue from 60' range?
although i think scoundrels can technically get a 25% damage buff on a cc-immune mob by using cc's that work regardless of immunity. i think it works with courage breaker, but not sure what other controls can bypass the system (including those of other classes).
yeah, that's my main issue as a wizard against a scoundrel. i can control them back hard but i can't do much without help if i get hit by deft strike which is hard to see coming. doesn't help that i don't get enough practice against it since i have fought like 3 scoundrels in comparison to the dozens of sabs/executioners running around.
also doesn't help that the main reason i die is because the entire enemy team just looks at me. let me control people to death in peace!
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Perma Stealth is being reworked right now, AMAZINGLY they're using actual D&D rules with it, When you make an attack from stealth you make a opposed stealth check against your target's perception check. I know right? boggleboggleboggleboggle