GFs, PvP and critical rate

wowowowowo

Hi there

After absolutly giving up on my GWF I made a GF and since I had a P.vorpal I was assuming I would use it on the new char, but beeing close to lv 50 now, having the +3% crit feats and since the GF has no crit from base stats, I got like 10% crit rate.

If I go Conqueror I'll have 10% more so I assume I could eventually reach 30% max at lv 60 .. but is it worth it?

How much crit you big GS guys have with a PvP set? Should I sell my P.vorpal and buy a Terror or PlagueFire? Something else?

Thanks in advance.

gfalconio

well i no have big gs, but have 20% crit chance and you can do sexy damage. about enchant, i use lesser vorpal and plaguefire. but plague fire Works best for me on pvp

freshour

Honestly, if you get more than 30% you are sacrificing other stats that would cause you to deal more damage in the end. What people don't get is that a conq GF is all about burst. And hitting some BIG numbers. It is very unlikely to wear someone down with the amount of lifesteal/healing of other classes minus GWFs.

So granted your overall damage may be a bit lower with a vorpal. When you are in the only situation to ever kill someone (crits with a full encounter rotation) - the Vorpal actually pays off pretty well!

Just my opinion

vaulwyn

You gave up on a GWF for GF in PVP? Man are you in for a painful dose of reality.

gfalconio

vaulwyn wrote: »

You gave up on a GWF for GF in PVP? Man are you in for a painful dose of reality.

i start playing with gwf, but later try the gf and for me the gf is more fun for pvp. i no know what is the complain with the people want have a no tank gf on pvp.

aethanas

gfalconio wrote: »

i start playing with gwf, but later try the gf and for me the gf is more fun for pvp. i no know what is the complain with the people want have a no tank gf on pvp.

People are easily exaggerating things if they simply want some changes; and others preach all day long that there is a Paladin class coming and that is going to be "a real tank" and the Guardian Fighter could be dropped then (because the developers did not want to transform the Guardian into a Paladin as some have wished for).

I do not think a Guardian Fighter is useless in PvP but they have their hard times too and sometimes cannot do much to save their teammates. Although I am quite content with my Protector build, it seems plausible to question the abilities of the Guardian Fighter class because other classes are able to kill it fast and efficiently but there is no way for it to counter this as good. (This class is certainly sturdy with its shield but a tank is a bad supporter if it offers only a meat shield with flaws and maybe a damage boost sometimes.)

wowowowowo

freshour wrote: »

Honestly, if you get more than 30% you are sacrificing other stats that would cause you to deal more damage in the end. What people don't get is that a conq GF is all about burst. And hitting some BIG numbers. It is very unlikely to wear someone down with the amount of lifesteal/healing of other classes minus GWFs.

So granted your overall damage may be a bit lower with a vorpal. When you are in the only situation to ever kill someone (crits with a full encounter rotation) - the Vorpal actually pays off pretty well!

Just my opinion

Thank you.

And well, the "painfull dose of reality" is quite enjoyable to say the least.
The reality I saw is that the GWF is even worse now that I can compare it with my GF .. and my GWF has much more gear than my GF ( gold dragon weapon and full BI .. well, corrupted not purified, I only have purple/blue artifacts and rank 7/6 enchants so my GS isn't that high (17k)).
For real, my GF hasn't even 3k power where my GWF has almost 9k, yet I don't even feel weak at all! This class has CC imune on demand, **** load of gap closers, mark+shield debuff makes you hit like a truck .. really, I regret having a GWF.

GF HAS TOOLS, GWF do not.

The only evasion skill the GWF have is Mighty Leap .. and it's not mighty at all, far from it. With my GF I can toy with CW and ranged classes, not the other way arround (bull charge is absolutly ridiculous), the skill animations are SUPER FAST, really wth is wrong with the GWF skill animations? If you compare IBS and Anvil of Doom, you're going to cry.

Really the GWF shouldn't have srpint, it should have some kind of parry mechanic with some deflect severity as feats with a short burst of speed at the end, not that dancing sprint HAMSTER because it is how I feel when I fight a GWF now, hitting a ballerina.
Also The less HP you have the harder you should hit >_> ... annndd Sure Strike shouldn't deal that little damages, really, you're using a 2 handed weapon, yet a short sword used with one hand hits harder, wth?

About the "defender" part .. yeah, you can't protect ****, for real, KV helps a bit but that's about it, better chain stun/KD if you wanna help a mate.

I love my GF a LOT and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't love it that much if the GWF class wasn't that terrible.

query523

wowowowowo wrote: »

About the "defender" part .. yeah, you can't protect ****, for real, KV helps a bit but that's about it, better chain stun/KD if you wanna help a mate.

I'll slide you an old trick here M8. When the opposition decides to pounce on a squishy instead of tangling with your tank KC them. 1/2 the time they fail to notice the drop in their DPs and really it's one LS from you pounding the offender senseless on the scrum....