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notsheriffsrs
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What's going on here? About 20 people from my friend's list and a lot of my guild mates will be leaving the game very soon.
Their reason when I asked them? few quotes
"This game is too hard to keep up with... I put everything Legendary and they release new ones.. it's too much" -21K HR
"I can no longer keep up with this game, it's taking too much of my time with the grind" - 22K GWF
"The powercreep is too much for casual players" ~17K CW
etc etc.
Cool it off with the new equipment/RNG/module releases devs.
Their reason when I asked them? few quotes
"This game is too hard to keep up with... I put everything Legendary and they release new ones.. it's too much" -21K HR
"I can no longer keep up with this game, it's taking too much of my time with the grind" - 22K GWF
"The powercreep is too much for casual players" ~17K CW
etc etc.
Cool it off with the new equipment/RNG/module releases devs.
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PRO TIP: If all your friends leave the game but you don't: find new, better friends. This looks like nothing but a passive-aggressive swipe at the game studio.
actually u just leave with them and find a new, better game.
friends>game
Nah... he/she is right. My friend's list is remarkably empty as well in the last couple of weeks. I'm getting basically the exact same responses whenever I ask people that are on. I'm not sure that they are quitting necessarily, but I know they are exploring other options. Not sure how this is a passive-aggressive swipe at the studio as I think the message is pretty blunt. Guess anything that might have the semblance of truth may be construed as a negative swipe...
Looking at the test server, despite people complaining about some dailies being a pain or being able to be ninjad, it seems they still don't learn. At least there's just one zone. Hopefully there's more adjustments to be made but when there's the same complaints each module...
Yes to both. The double enchants weekend is a nice idea, but taking advantage of it was a pain. Doing the Endless Bloody Dailies(tm), my 30 slot bag was filling up amazingly fast. Tripping back to PE and emptying it frequently, and then shovelling them from mail into artifacts produced a horrifying amount of clawfinger. The UI for refinement is curiously horrible and punitively painful- needs a usability pass.
As for outgearing the content, you're right. The only way that I can sidestep it is to dig out neglected characters and "overhaul" them. This is curiously at odds with the alt-hostile nature of the dailies. We're definitely getting mixed messages here.
I'm lucky, my guild are absolutely lovely, great company and good for some dungeons most days. However, I have seen people on my friends list vanish too. There's a balkanization afoot. There are still people out there worth playing with, but it doesn't look as healthy as it did.
I used to like dungeons but it's been weeks doing one because it's not worth it, though I did do 3 runs today of LoL since I wanted to see the change where you had to supposedly kill both scorpions at once, though I saw no change which is confusing... I used to like events too but I didn't bother. Played pit fight event once, did my usual dailies for the 2x enchantment weekend without caring for it. Though it's nice to still have for those who do want to farm for it who still need to catch up. I did decide to invest in something though which I won't mention in case I want to invest into more.
I feel really alone in this game. The raid might be nice though. Tiamat looks cool and the first few stages were challenging with just me in one area, though should be easy when more people are expected to take part. Organisation is pants on preview so far, though idk if me messing up my sleep pattern means that I miss out on some formations
I can see why people can be fanboys of other companies, for example apple is good at marketing themselves as a thing of quality or other companies may care about providing value. Here, there's just a line of things that punish player, make customers not feel valued, not have value, and not have high quality. The combat may be great allowing it to be simple but very involving but it's let down by the rest of the flaws since last year in particular.
Plus there's also the fact that we're not allowed to mention cake.
Ya the double enchant and double RP weekends are definitely awesome and much needed.
As for alts, the dailies can be daunting that's for sure. I've found the best way to level them is actually once they hit level 26, I ignore most of the quest line and just do the ToD dailies and do the quest line secondarily. By the time I hit 60, I'm close to getting the artifact weapon (I always get this first and bypass skirmish and dungeon). Then I concentrate on dungeon and skirmish. Once this is done, I'm finished with the ToD campaign and move on to a different alt. I throw Dread Ring in sporadically as it gets done quickly anyhow and Sharandar is considered a long-term goal (over the ToD final two boons). In fact, I don't even bother unlocking VT and MC on any toon but my main as it is a complete waste of AD and time with the new gear.
We've said out piece many times. I think they got point by now, and hopefully they will do things differently in the future
After 4 modules, what makes you think this?
Ah, my issue is different. I have all classes at 60, reasonably geared. All completed Shar and DR. A couple have completed IWD. One has completed ToD. Can you see the trend here?
Come on, man! I'm just trying to stay optimistic here...
but its true, last february our mumble is nearly full and in guild 2-6 pages of Online players.
Now its a miracle to have 10 players
IDK why I still play this game though,
PVE is easy
PVP is broken, you need to play the fotm to get your stress out, or stick to your class and burn your brows.
I just leveled my weapon and belt to legendary for 2 toons, my fingers are still sore and that was a week ago.
I stop doing my ToD campaign after having the 3rd boon, its too much for me. It feels like a job now! and next mod my items will be outdated.
BlackberryCheesecake CW
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No worries I understand! I do think its important to remain optimistic as well and try to hold on to what the game does well as opposed to its negatives. I do believe that "getting the point" IS the same thing is implementing it in a consumer-driven business. Most businesses discover that consumers don't have patience for "implementation" and business is results-driven. Getting to the results shouldn't be the concern of the consumer, however, most reasonable people realize that changes can take a little time.
My simple philosophy has shifted dramatically since Mod 4 has been released. I've stopped supporting this game through any form of zen purchases, HOWEVER, I haven't stopped playing because I DO remain optimistic and I DO enjoy the gameplay. IF the game makes the necessary corrections and listens to the player base, I may continue my zen support (this includes converting ad to zen), if not... well... things begin to look even more bleak.
With that said, a lot of players have been expressing concern over the last 2 modules of the state of this game and these concerns are perceived to be ignored (whether that's actually the case or not is a different story). So many people are feeling like this and they can't all possibly be misguided.
I am with you though, and remain hopeful that they can make the necessary corrections and modifications to improve the state of the game in the upcoming module.
This.
I love it when people think that adding someone to a "friend's list" makes them your friend. It doesn't. The fact that you refer to them as a class and gearscore tells me that.
My community continues to be active. There's ebbs and flows, but we keep recruiting and engaging people as people, not some name on a list to be messaged when you need a 5th for a speed run of CN.
Here's a tip. If you don't know someone's real name, or something about the person, they're not your friend. They're just a name on a list. Communities that are real communities, where people are valued more than gearscores, continue to grow and thrive. But that's the same for every MMO. Neverwinter is no exception.
yawn
For those people who are 18k+ GS and r complaining about how it's too much effort to be good at the game or compete with others I say...stop being an elitist and trying to be the best at everything >< No one is forcing you to grind/farm to get your artefacts to max level, be the best dps in PvP or PvE or have the highest GS. This is just too many player's attitude when they could just try on focusing on enjoying what game content there is or aiming for certain gear/items they need but not being all obsessive about it.
I am one of the people that will be quitting or at least playing a lot less soon tho (even tho Mod 5 looks promising and I appreciate all the work the Devs are doing), this is not for the same reasons mentioned in this post tho but more to do with how this game is played by so many players, balance issues between classes and how the game mechanics let people get away with just outgearing content in favour of requiring actual tactics and teamwork. So will be returning to another well known MMO that I feel has had that for a long time...but I hope this game will keep improving and should come back to it
And yet someone who refuses to acknowledge there's an issue. Someday you'll probably find out though.
I'm not defending the game or the company. I am simply calling-out the OP for what it is: BSHogwash.
Why does something that others say bring you so much "fear", OP?
It tells me this:
EITHER:
You are so much in love with this game that you *fear* your pretend "friends" will leave you behind.
OR
You are just trying to make the game, and by extension the game studio look bad.
FACT: Most people who choose to leave the game do so without any public announcement, much less "fanfare".
-shrugs-
another monday has come and you still have no clue what's going on.
yawn
Or he does like the game and does not want it to fail.
Cryptic does not exactly have a reputation as a developer who supports its games to 100 percent.
*cough* Champions Online *cough*
Cryptic knows exactly how many people log in, how often they play, how many new accounts get created and how many go "inactive". They don't need you making stuff up about your friend's list to determine how many people are playing, and how many people are "leaving".
Touché.
LOL
Yes you are and that's ok. Just have the guts to admit it is all. You are allowed to have your opinion and that's cool.
Well a lot of people on my friends list are people that I have gamed with over the years not people I just met. Also people I actually know "in real life", some I work with. So that argument may address some people, but not all of them. By the way, not really sure why you are attacking the OP so strongly here for stating his/her observations.
What's the motive for this? So you think people are just randomly trying to make the game studio "look bad"? And if this is really the case, why are you so affected by it?
Although I suspect this is true, you choosing to put "Fact" in front of everything that you can't substantiate further invalidates your argument. In my case, 2 of the "facts" that you've stated are completely incorrect.
I bring your attention to the operative, which is "most" - hence: fact.
Contextual note: Fact: most players of this and most other online games do not participate in the forums.
Either way, we're splitting hairs. Cryptic knows how many players there have been, there are, and probably even has projections of how many there *will* be. Which makes this thread a moot point, other than to "passive-aggressively" take a swipe at the game and company from the OP's viewpoint, which is okay, I suppose.
However, as I always point-out: a gripe is a legitimate gripe when an alternative to the gripe is proffered, no matter how fanatical or silly. But a gripe without such is just whining.
I agree with many of the sentiments expressed:
"This game is too hard to keep up with... I put everything Legendary and they release new ones.. it's too much"
Only if you're trying to zerg the game. Why not just just take your time and enjoy the journey? I've been playing since closed beta and Alpha - my very first "live" character is only now starting to explore Sharandar; Mod ONE.
"I can no longer keep up with this game, it's taking too much of my time with the grind"
I repeat: WTF is the big hurry? If it's taking too much of your time, perhaps a reevaluation of life-priorities is in order?
"The powercreep is too much for casual players"
Yes it is, unless you stop trying to zerg the game. Enjoy the journey and the "power-creep" will grow smoothly with you. This one is apparently a PvP Player who is (rightly) dissatisfied with the PvP aspect of the game.
None of these sentiments are news. The same arguments have been made over and over. I don't think Cryptic is ignoring them - they know these sentiments. But also they have data none of us can see and that data is what (I am relatively sure) they prioritize their development efforts on.
Either way, I've said my piece on this subject. I'm not trying to bash on anyone or debunk anyone else's point of view. But here's a another fact: The squeakiest wheels are always the loudest, rarely the majority. I know better than to attempt changing anyone's mind and have no interest in that.
Just pointing out that sometimes truth hurts.
i play the new contents:
new contents brings new gears.
i want the new gears.
period. if you dont enjoy the mmorpg grind that is your fault not ours.
new overpowered gear refinable by RP is ok.
throwing that legendary every 3 months not.
if this is the trend we should be able to use our old gear to refine the new one or they can say goodbye to lot of people. Me too.
"Only if you're trying to zerg the game. Why not just just take your time and enjoy the journey? I've been playing since closed beta and Alpha - my very first "live" character is only now starting to explore Sharandar; Mod ONE."
you are not slowing down...you are sleeping on the keyboard
Fair enough. Although I respect your opinion, I disagree with it. I do however, appreciate a well written response that doesn't deteriorate into a complete meltdown regardless of the opinion stated. xD
Well, you are a completely different type of player. A lot of people need actual targets they can aim for to have fun, me included. I can not just jump around like in fairy-wonder-land and revel in graphics- and leveldesign forever. I need actual gameplay and a reachable goal.
I suppose this is one of the reasons why i dislike games that define themselfes just by graphics.
You either stop arguing with him completely, or...well, stop arguing with him completely. He's defending Cryptic as hard as he can. I can't say it's bad, it's just an opinion, the bad is that he's trying to make all other opinions look wrong.
As for argument "you're still here". Me too, browsing the forums, hoping for better future, but I don't play anymore, spent a few hours on preview and that's all. None of my real life friends plays this game anymore either, but we used to buy zen and have fun.
FACT: this game's going downhill. <- am I doing it right?