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New Idea for PVP queuing system!
grac3n77
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Every time I visit our forum there's always someone who always crying about that their team mates have a 7kgs or lower that there should be GS base queuing system to balance it out. The problem is there's a lot of work for the devs for this game not to be bugged, cause you can easily change your GS. My suggestion is have a PVP queuing system for those player who can only join if they complete the sharandar and dread ring campaign or much better add also the ice wind dale campaign so you can be sure they have a minimum GS of 12k. in other word you have the normal PvP and Big boys PVP of course when you complete the campaign you cannot join the normal PVP. I know this can be done cuase they have done it in icewind dale.
Every time I visit our forum there's always someone who always crying about that their team mates have a 7kgs or lower that there should be GS base queuing system to balance it out. The problem is there's a lot of work for the devs for this game not to be bugged, cause you can easily change your GS. My suggestion is have a PVP queuing system for those player who can only join if they complete the sharandar and dread ring campaign or much better add also the ice wind dale campaign so you can be sure they have a minimum GS of 12k. in other word you have the normal PvP and Big boys PVP of course when you complete the campaign you cannot join the normal PVP. I know this can be done cuase they have done it in icewind dale.
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"My message is more important 'cause my font is bigger than all you PvE sissies!"
PS: I know that there are also smart and good PvP'ers out there with manners. And they can think!
GS you can change very easy, a boon you have or you don't have.
Actually, older MMOs will know your GS, and you can do whatever switching you want, once the game knows your maximum PvP gear GS is 20K lol. You can also lock gear, but it's a very bad idea. What if I wanna troll a TR with Bilethorn? Why shouldn't I be allowed to change my vorpal when necessary?
However, GS matchmaking still remains bad, because GS is a very bad representation of player skill. You can have high GS and 25K HP, but 10K Power. Put this PvE squish in a match with 50K HP PvPers, he will melt in 3 secs and rarely profit from his high offense.
The real solution is BRACKETING, ELO, and most importantly, MORE PEOPLE.
In this game, there are less than 100 people at this moment that are capable or real premading, and maybe another 200 that can slightly challenge the top PvPers (read: they will lose 1000-100 while being 20K GS+ with BiS gear...).
Hence, we need the ELO system, but it needs substantial improvements, and the devs need to constantly improve PvP to attract new players.
well if big boys cry then they should not be a big boys)
But putting hard line is good idea.
Not everyone that is into pvp is a boy.
Second, if there were complaints about que time, why not just adjust the strategy rather than scrapping? I'm hoping that is what mod 5 is for
Gear score based pvp is not a bad idea for lvl 60 content. They can easily get their gear up to 12k however it would be pointless against someone with 22k gs and 85k hitpoints. It's highly uneven so there needs to be seperate ques. One for ranked and one for intermediate.
I mean it doesn't "NEED" to be done but it would be a more satisfying time in Arena domination. I've been in matches where we just stomp the other players. 1000 to 0 points. That didn't make me feel big and proud. It made me feel bored. Then get into another match and this time it's the other way around. Then you get into a match where you're beating one of the "big boys" and they do something (can't mention exploits) so they don't take a hit on their leader board position.
So when you see someone on top of the front page, it's not necessarily because they are a good player. Many people are doing that. So the ones that are trying legit are left behind as usual because people keep wanting to sweep issues under the rug and wag their finger at anyone who dare mentions it like they are a bad dog.
Meanwhile people that have cheated, exploited reap their rewards and make it a frustrating environment for pvp and pve. It's not really all on the players to be white knight gamers. It's on the people who design the system. They are getting paid for it. The White Knight gamers are only getting the short end of the stick.
There are several pvp guilds that are thinking about going to a new game. The pvp guilds that dont exploit have put alot of time and money into this game. It's not the system that is keeping them around. It's the players that have kept them from walking. So the choice is yours Perfect World. Change your name to Imperfect World because that is what it is or live up to the name and own it.
you are not geared enough to play with big guys? kicked
you are over geared to play with normal people? kicked.
Its not a bracket its just one way of making sure there is no toon or extra char who is lvl 60 with no boon who is under gear and yet those player let their toon join the pvp just for the love of trolling other player and making your game miserable...
Explained in the topic in my sig.
All you need to do is offer a way for new PvPers to catch up in gear fast enough, and periodic seasonal gearing resets so you need to gear up each few months together with everyone else.
This way, a new player would only have to PvP for about 1 month to get great gear and they would be able to perform properly in any game, as long as we implement PROPER bracketed matchmaking.
After people understand that PvP in Neverwinter is FAIR, FUN and REWARDING, the PvPers will come here in droves. The mechanics are quite unique and will attract lots of new blood.
What's keeping people away from Neverwinter is the huge gap in power, the stupid matchmaking and the lack of real progression by solely PvPing (as in no PvE farming or money necessary).
Fix the above and we're good.
problem is you have to wait for 1 to 2 hours just to have 1 game and prayed that you don't have a cry baby team who quits fighting if they died in few seconds...
COSMETICS.
Acceleration of Glory income, XP boosters.
You should NOT be able to purchase POWER, at ell, ever.
Supporting the game should be a voluntary option based on your desire to do so, because you respect its creators. See the Path of Exile case, where people support it because it's a niche game that they adore. PoE does not allow anything that means buying power.
So you should not be able to buy gear at all
Making gear obsolete periodically in this scenario is not an issue at all, cause everyone knows it's an MMO, there's farming to do but...
... nobody can skip the farming with money, so we're all on equal footing.
This is how a FAIR Free to Play model works.
This model guarantees that new players will have periodic opportunities to catch up with BiS veterans.
What's not to like in this?
Game being fair should be most important, the devs should do their best to preserve fairness, not to allow veterans to be months ahead.
that's what other players say about but the problem is they can lower it and in the game they can have it higher again just to crush pugs and for the ranking stats.
Suggestions for "brackets":
Problem: this defeats the idea of tenacity as "need more gear buy more bags" to create revenue. (remember, tenacity was sold to us as salvation for fast and easy adjustments in PvP!)
Or make an alternative "PvP-Inventory" where you can equip items that get automatically switched to, if you join in.
This might be because a lot of players just do not want to play pvp anymore, since they get twoshotet all day long ...
If PvP was actually fun to play as a new player, you would have a larger PvP-Community.
1) Ladder queue- premade teams only (2 or more people)
- matches are made based on ranking in the ladder and player level
- position on the leaderboard will also take into account how active the team is in pvp.
- team composition can only be comprised of at most 2 of each class. For example (a 4 CW and 1 GWF team is a no go).
- wins in this queue should reward more glory and bonus artifact seals as you progress higher up ladder
2) Standard queue- no-premades allowed (solo queue only)
- similar to what we have now
- matches are made based on ranking in the ladder and player level with an attempt to balance gear score
- disconnecting from current game to get the win and not move up in level is disallowed
- enchantments, weapons and armor have to be placed into slots BEFORE the queue. Not allowed after queuing. However, things like artifacts can be swapped.
Each queue would count for the pvp campaign tasks.
Same rewards. More fun should be incentive enough to try to join this queue.
And - if you have not found it out by now - matches based on ranking on the ladder/leaderboard are not working.
Yes you are right, as it currently stands it isn't working... however if you actually implement:
- not rewarding players for disconnecting with wins
- requiring pvpers to be active by participating in matches or risk losing their spot
- not allowing "switching of equipment and enchants" to try and trick the queue
You may have a more workable system. This is all theoretical and until it is tried, of course, nobody will know.
As for the bots you mentioned, I failed to take this into account and you are probably right. Maybe a human verification check before each match starts could solve it?