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obsydian666obsydian666 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
edited October 2014 in PvE Discussion
Hi, I think DC artifact bonus is just OP especially in pvp, and why? Look: for example GWF artifact - deals 4700 dmg, Valindra artifact deals 1700 dmg ( omg valindra...:P), water? heal 8,5k hp- nice but stil lame, banners? hmmm...+ 400 power and life steal for example and -7% enemy's dmg resist but try to use it on distance class- it make no sense. And now DC artifact- free daily. If you will meet good CW, GWF or TR with p. vorpal it's mean 20-25k dmg on start (probably less dmg on more tankiest class), eventually premade 3x CW with this artifact and 3x oppresive force with crit from EotS in the middle = practically enemy team is dead. I think this bonus is a little to big compared to another artifacts, and need to be changed maby half of this bonus for example?
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  • valencayvalencay Member Posts: 431 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    no please. just because you don't like it doesn't mean it has to be nerfed. for a "free daily" every 2 min you need to put in 3.8M RP, i don't see anything free here
    Aset Xharran, Oppressor CW
  • obsydian666obsydian666 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    3,8m RP like every another artifact, i thought that the people like you who probably already have got this artifact can disagree with this but if my memory is still fine, there was time in this game when all could entrance to domiation with full daily and devs change it. Now with this artifact this is again possible. I still have the same sentence- this artifact bonus is to big compare to another artifacts.
  • ulvielulviel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 741 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Come to think I never use this artifact since I have no use for it... and the stats are not good for any of my chars.
  • valencayvalencay Member Posts: 431 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    I wrote a good answere to you then I decided to tell you just one thing
    "Deal with it"
    Aset Xharran, Oppressor CW
  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Hi, I think DC artifact bonus is just OP especially in pvp, and why? Look: for example GWF artifact - deals 4700 dmg, Valindra artifact deals 1700 dmg ( omg valindra...:P), water? heal 8,5k hp- nice but stil lame, banners? hmmm...+ 400 power and life steal for example and -7% enemy's dmg resist but try to use it on distance class- it make no sense. And now DC artifact- free daily. If you will meet good CW, GWF or TR with p. vorpal it's mean 20-25k dmg on start (probably less dmg on more tankiest class), eventually premade 3x CW with this artifact and 3x oppresive force with crit from EotS in the middle = practically enemy team is dead. I think this bonus is a little to big compared to another artifacts, and need to be changed maby half of this bonus for example?

    No, not at all - and please, don't ask for nerfs.
    As has been pointed out to you, it requires the same extremely significant investment of resources to reach that point as any other artifact.

    It's a solid bonus, and I use it on some of my characters for PvE. Much less so for PvP as there are better ways to score significant burst damage. All the more so since a solid PvP spec can fill that action point bar with remarkable speed. Anyone and everyone can still enter domination with a full action bar, just do some PvE or beat up on the training dummies.
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  • obsydian666obsydian666 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rabbinicus wrote: »
    No, not at all - and please, don't ask for nerfs.
    As has been pointed out to you, it requires the same extremely significant investment of resources to reach that point as any other artifact.

    It's a solid bonus, and I use it on some of my characters for PvE. Much less so for PvP as there are better ways to score significant burst damage. All the more so since a solid PvP spec can fill that action point bar with remarkable speed. Anyone and everyone can still enter domination with a full action bar, just do some PvE or beat up on the training dummies.

    Thats my point- tell me who cares if any other artifact bonus will be nerfed? I think noone, but everyone who have DC artifact will disagree- becouse it is just OP. And i think you are not pvp player- "Anyone and everyone can still enter domination with a full action bar, just do some PvE or beat up on the training dummies" are you kidding me?;f
  • fantasycharacterfantasycharacter Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 675 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rabbinicus wrote: »
    Anyone and everyone can still enter domination with a full action bar, just do some PvE or beat up on the training dummies.

    What? Action points are drained upon initial entry into domination.

    I do agree that the DC artifact is out-of-whack with the others. Devs can do what they like with it.
  • dwaumakdwaumak Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's easy to fix, just follow the text on it :
    Your Devoted Cleric spirit fills you with divine power, granting 100% of you total Action Points over 15 seconds. In addition, while this buff is active you Heal yourself for 869 whenever you use an Encounter power.

    If you're not a Devoted Cleric, it doesn't work (and same way for all class artifact).
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  • obsydian666obsydian666 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    shadw2012 wrote: »
    Why must PvP players cry and whine about abilities/powers, asking for nerfs, this will effect PvE players such as myself and quite a few others. Could the PvP crowd just stop with this nonsense please.

    Why PvE player is in pvp thread and crying?
    I am asking about something what in my opinion needs to be changed, it is forum.
  • arcanaxearcanaxe Member Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So basically what you are saying is that the DC's who play with their artifact in PVE dungeons should be punished because of this. Think before you talk, the DC class is already being gotten a new overhaul and most of the DC population don't like it, and I'm sure a long line of DC's are going to leave their class cause of it, now you want them to nerf the DC artifact as well cause it doesn't suite your play style.

    Think before you make remarks like this on the forums, forums isn't their just for fun, a lot of these opinions and thoughts goes a long way within the Neverwinter community, and saying things like this, will just make the grapes even more sour than it already is.
  • obsydian666obsydian666 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    arcanaxe wrote: »
    So basically what you are saying is that the DC's who play with their artifact in PVE dungeons should be punished because of this. Think before you talk, the DC class is already being gotten a new overhaul and most of the DC population don't like it, and I'm sure a long line of DC's are going to leave their class cause of it, now you want them to nerf the DC artifact as well cause it doesn't suite your play style.

    Think before you make remarks like this on the forums, forums isn't their just for fun, a lot of these opinions and thoughts goes a long way within the Neverwinter community, and saying things like this, will just make the grapes even more sour than it already is.

    First of all, i didnt say DC must be punished becouse of his artifact. I said DC's artifact is op in pvp, but if you are talking about pve, remember that the every class can have this artifact. And its not about my playstyle, i have 3 legendary artifact and making DC artifact isnt problem for me, but like i said earlier, it is to op in my opinion.
    and btw. I heard something like that someday: "There is no stupid questions", so i can put on this thread if it is compatible with this game so please dont tell me what i can and what cant' do in your opinion.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Something needs to be balanced, if this isn't scaled back then the other class artifacts need a buff, I only see people using the DC and GWF artifacts now, and it would be better to see some variety rather then just those 2.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
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  • hexanna22hexanna22 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 204 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    Something needs to be balanced, if this isn't scaled back then the other class artifacts need a buff, I only see people using the DC and GWF artifacts now, and it would be better to see some variety rather then just those 2.

    Why is that? Any class can use the DC artifact And even people who use the DC artifact, don't always have that one equipped depending on team make up and job, some choose to use Defender or Vanguard Banner instead in many of the situations. Others, use Book of the Dead or Kessils.
  • helpimblindinrlhelpimblindinrl Member Posts: 972 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Just wait around, they will inevitably shove more junk into the game that will balance it out
  • hefisdohefisdo Member Posts: 709 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    I agree that the artifact is much better than most, but nerfing it at this point would be more like a harm instead of a good thing to the entire community.

    What I suggest is to make the other artifacts more like interesting cooldowns just like the DC one already is. For some reason they're making every single new artifact have something related to damage or healing, which is wrong and bad design.

    Oghma's, Lathender's and the DC artifact are the only ones that I consider interesting.
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  • group5egroup5e Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    As a pve/pvp player I have to agree with the poster actually. It only contributes to this power creep nonsense with dailies going off every 5 seconds. Mobs are dead so fast, no one can participate. This is NOT a pvp only issue.

    Regardless of how everyone feels, it does kind help make everything easy mode. Without this artifact you can effectively remove as much 30% of total dungeon damage. This will make them more challenging and require more teamwork.

    In pvp, a DC artifact action point reduction would also help in balancing pvp much more.

    Nobody likes the idea of reducing damage in this game for some reason even though there is no content in this game (including pvp) that remotely requires it (and please don't think Mod 5 will be any different).
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    hexanna22 wrote: »
    Why is that? Any class can use the DC artifact And even people who use the DC artifact, don't always have that one equipped depending on team make up and job, some choose to use Defender or Vanguard Banner instead in many of the situations. Others, use Book of the Dead or Kessils.

    Why should the DC artifact be so much more useful then my HR or GF artifact? it all takes the same effort and rp. I rather see some variety where they all are good options instead of just 1 or 2 good options.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • magiquepursemagiquepurse Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    Why should the DC artifact be so much more useful then my HR or GF artifact? it all takes the same effort and rp. I rather see some variety where they all are good options instead of just 1 or 2 good options.

    The more you post this stuff, the farther from you goal you are.

    They won't buff up the other class artifacts, they will instead nerf the DC sigil to the point where it is so bad nobody will use it.

    Trust me on this. Just ask people that leveled Raven, or Emblem how they feel after losing 3-10 millions of AD.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    DC artifact is good in both PVE and PVP.

    The GWF artifact is also probably a staple in every PVP toon due to the passive stats it gives (power and HP do not have softcaps to the extent that other stats do)
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The more you post this stuff, the farther from you goal you are.

    They won't buff up the other class artifacts, they will instead nerf the DC sigil to the point where it is so bad nobody will use it.

    Trust me on this. Just ask people that leveled Raven, or Emblem how they feel after losing 3-10 millions of AD.

    To be honest either nerfing the DC and GWF artifacts or buffing the other classes artifacts are both fine with me. I am not using them and just want the artifacts I do use to be seen as equally viable choices.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • demonkyuubidemonkyuubi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    To be honest either nerfing the DC and GWF artifacts or buffing the other classes artifacts are both fine with me. I am not using them and just want the artifacts I do use to be seen as equally viable choices.

    nerfing those 2 (which is funny since 1 just has a good set of stats) will not make your artifacts any more viable except for whatever stats they actually give. and most of us don't actually like the stats on cleric arty, but the effect is convenient for dungeons and somewhat in pvp depending on class.

    the difference is that the cleric arty is practically the only useful arty to be placed in the active slot. a few thousand damage from other arties is irrelevant just like frostburn and the other armor enchants.
  • f2pmaf2pma Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    dc artifact is best artifact in the game by far.
    every top build has it pve or pvp.
    most people farmed it from scratch so i dont think it needs a nerf
    maybe just some other viable options would be nice which are not 5 mill ad
  • onecoolscatcatonecoolscatcat Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Active powers will only be balanced when they're identical. Unlike most damage acusing powers, DC sigils have a a unique mechanic. By definition it's either overpowered or underpowered simply because it IS different. Aurora's Catalog is extremely underpowered in PvP. Shouldn't we have a "buff Aurora's Catalog for PvP" thread? It's only fair.

    I personally don't find DC Sigils worth equipping in either PvE or PvP, but if it's ubiquitously useful as some say, it's unique among current endgame PvP gear. DC artifacts are free to all for a minimal time investment. (2 days leveling + 2 weeks DR campaign) It isn't gated behind nebulous lockbox reward percentages or insanely low RNG grinds. Feel free to get one yourself.
  • jaotutjaotut Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 576 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    To be honest either nerfing the DC and GWF artifacts or buffing the other classes artifacts are both fine with me. I am not using them and just want the artifacts I do use to be seen as equally viable choices.

    That's a rather selfish thing to say. Buff me and everything I choose to use, nerf everything else. If you think those artifacts are better options than what you're using, then go get it, it's not difficult.
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  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Not sure whats with all the hate, the OP has a point. The DC artifact is the best artifact in the game for pvp and it's amazing in pve. The stats are decent and 2 dailys plus a little heal is crazy but It can't really be nerfed since 90% of maxed pvpers have got this now. The only way to make things even is for everyone to get one.

    But anyway, sometime soon I'm sure another artifact will take over this one for pvp.
    Crixus - PVP GF
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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  • str8slayerstr8slayer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 715 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    I don't see any other artifacts giving action points, perhaps allowing others to have a similar effect would ease some of the complaining? This artifact has been around a long time and if it truly needed a nerf, it would've happened by now.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • nameexpirednameexpired Member Posts: 1,282 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Hi, I think DC artifact bonus is just OP
    Make a DC, use it yourself.
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