"Request: Add 1 Cult Secret and 1 Dragon Lore to the eSoT and eLoL chest."
I always think your campaigns should emphasize your premier content. It takes 100 of each to get a book, but you have to run around doing stupid content to get them. Yeah I called your zerg dragons on a timer content stupid, sue me! Okay at the very least randomly add 1 or the other to eSot and eLoL with which one showing up in the chest as random. Some prize to blunt the "Range" of having uber rare books drop. It is weird that the only way to blunt the "randomness of drops" is to stop doing the content with the random drops in the first place. Whaaa? That is: don't like the 1% chance of a drop? Just don't play the game. If you added 1 cult secret and 1 dragon lore to eSoT and eLoL, it would say, "don't like the range? Well in 100 runs you are guarenteed a drop."
Technically you are doubling the expected value of eSot and eLoL, but you are greatly diminishing the variance by doing this.
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
"Request: Add 1 Cult Secret and 1 Dragon Lore to the eSoT and eLoL chest."
I always think your campaigns should emphasize your premier content. It takes 100 of each to get a book, but you have to run around doing stupid content to get them. Yeah I called your zerg dragons on a timer content stupid, sue me! Okay at the very least randomly add 1 or the other to eSot and eLoL with which one showing up in the chest as random. Some prize to blunt the "Range" of having uber rare books drop. It is weird that the only way to blunt the "randomness of drops" is to stop doing the content with the random drops in the first place. Whaaa? That is: don't like the 1% chance of a drop? Just don't play the game. If you added 1 cult secret and 1 dragon lore to eSoT and eLoL, it would say, "don't like the range? Well in 100 runs you are guarenteed a drop."
Technically you are doubling the expected value of eSot and eLoL, but you are greatly diminishing the variance by doing this.
I would also suggest adding multiple Cult Secrets, Sigils and Lores to the heroic dragon encounters if you achieve great success and just one of them if you didn't get great success.
At least if they added 1 at a random to the end of eSot and eLoL it says:
"This run of group content is guaranteed to get you as far a long toward the boon as a single dragon in a public zone."
It sucks that you can do eSoT and eLoL and be no closer to getting a boon then when you started. I mean with normal gear drop rates that sort of "you are no closer then when you started" is tolerable, but with something like a 1% chance it starts to be suspicious that public dragons can get you steadily toward your goal, while group content does not. That is what I am trying to disrupt.
If nothing else, I could get SOMETHING out of running endless amounts of skirmish/elol's. (get a book and sell it..)
As it is, I get r5 and 66 silver and a scroll for my efforts. Very nice!
New 13k gs req dungeon drops t1 or blue trash items. I would love to hear their reasoning behind that. This goes for last boss as well, the dragon. That one actually doesn't even drop anything most of the time, and when it finally does, it's GREEN JUNK!
It would be a pain for the people who already worked hard.
Stop being lazy and farm !!
Well when I see in zen market that you can unlock dread ring and sharandar campaign I was upset as well. BUt can they put this one also and could they also have lvl 60 unlock in zen market I want 6 different char with unlock campaign and lvl 60 char in an instant.
It would be a pain for the people who already worked hard.
Stop being lazy and farm !!
No. Running eSOT takes at least as long as running one dragon zone. So it is not less grinding it is less waiting to grind. And even if you did all of them for Mod4 word is you need more books in Mod5 so it would help you too...
Bad idea. You can run eLOL as many times as you can. That means you can get all the lores and secrets required for the entire campaign in a day. If Cryptic want to run the campaign this way, I bet they will rather sell the campaign completion kit for 5000 zen a piece now.
Bad idea. You can run eLOL as many times as you can. That means you can get all the lores and secrets required for the entire campaign in a day. If Cryptic want to run the campaign this way, I bet they will rather sell the campaign completion kit for 5000 zen a piece now.
No say you could run ESOT in 15 minutes and had a group that could run it for 8 hours straight that would be 32 of each. Now a book is 1.5 mil AD or 3k zen or 30$. If you cannot make 30$ in 8 hours you fail at life.
Edit: or you live in a thrid world country in which case I do not begrudge you working that hard at a game you enjoy enough to do that.
"Request: Add 1 Cult Secret and 1 Dragon Lore to the eSoT and eLoL chest."
I always think your campaigns should emphasize your premier content. It takes 100 of each to get a book, but you have to run around doing stupid content to get them. Yeah I called your zerg dragons on a timer content stupid, sue me! Okay at the very least randomly add 1 or the other to eSot and eLoL with which one showing up in the chest as random. Some prize to blunt the "Range" of having uber rare books drop. It is weird that the only way to blunt the "randomness of drops" is to stop doing the content with the random drops in the first place. Whaaa? That is: don't like the 1% chance of a drop? Just don't play the game. If you added 1 cult secret and 1 dragon lore to eSoT and eLoL, it would say, "don't like the range? Well in 100 runs you are guarenteed a drop."
Technically you are doubling the expected value of eSot and eLoL, but you are greatly diminishing the variance by doing this.
Yes. Not all of us have the time to do dozens of common causes each day.
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Bad idea. You can run eLOL as many times as you can. That means you can get all the lores and secrets required for the entire campaign in a day. If Cryptic want to run the campaign this way, I bet they will rather sell the campaign completion kit for 5000 zen a piece now.
And? Each of the boon books cost 100 of each.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
Bad idea. You can run eLOL as many times as you can. That means you can get all the lores and secrets required for the entire campaign in a day.
I don't see how this is an issue. By the time you unlock eLoL, you're already at the "end" of the campaign.
Adding the chance of a sigil or secret to the EPIC versions of the chest would also motivate more people to stopping farming the easier normal modes, and step into the epic versions.
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
edited October 2014
The only way I could see this happen is if this was added to the "special" chest (where you either have to create the key of buy it in the Zen store). This is simply not going to be added to the "free" chest - too easy to farm.
One possibility might be to award *one* sigil/secret per day for doing eSoT and eLoL.
Hoping for improvements...
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
The only way I could see this happen is if this was added to the "special" chest (where you either have to create the key of buy it in the Zen store). This is simply not going to be added to the "free" chest - too easy to farm.
One possibility might be to award *one* sigil/secret per day for doing eSoT and eLoL.
Its better then nothing..
I think if they also add 3 scrolls on the weekly portal quest, at least , you would eventually get the books that way. It would take forever, but that way there is a viable way to skip the stupid waiting on the spawn dragons thing.
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lirithielMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,482Arc User
edited October 2014
I finally completed all the boons for ToD last night, although the tome for the 4th boon did drop in SoT a while back. I'm glad to be done with it - the only problem is my second toon now has to go through the same slog to achieve this. I cannot do the Dragon dailies on more than one toon at a time as it is a soul-destroying experience. I'm currently farming SoT in the hope that the RNG gods smile on me again sometime and give me another tome as I'm still so far away from getting the specified currency for the tome needed to unlock the 4th boon. Then rinse-repeat for another month or more for boon 5...yay!
At least give us the option of using Celestial Coins to buy sigils or secrets as with Sharandar and Dread Ring if being opposed to giving us the currency through LoL/SoT chests.
A bit OT but I was thinking about it some this morning, and the only time I feel rewarded by this game is when Akro gives out free companions during the livestreams and that is not even when I'm playing the game. Everything else in NW just feels like a chore these days with little to no rewards for my mammoth efforts.
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I am honestly trying to understand. We have four different campaign expansions, and four different methods of working our way through them. There is always going to be a "time sink " in advancing your characters growth. Every game ever made has that. What would be a good way to make it take a month or two for you character to work your way through a campaign. Please. I see the dev's honestly trying different things - some easier than others.
Sharandar you had to go to travel over a large map area to finish quests.
Dread did the opposite, you had a much smaller map with option quests and a daily mini dungeon to advance campaign.
Ice wind dale had a medium sized location with an attempt to make the experience more dynamic and open concept.
Tyranny of Dragons is trying to build on the open concept format by integrating more with the game world, making it more pve.
So how could the campaign tracking system be improved ?
heck, just make a new dragon skirmish daily with those as the reward. This would ease the pain a bit.
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bajornorbertMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 272Arc User
edited October 2014
I agree that there needs to be more ways to get the sigils/scrolls for the boon books than grinding dailies, but i wouldn't add 1 sigil + 1 scroll as guaranteed drop from the skirmish, since you have a 24/7 free chest there, while in eLoL you would need to spend 5k AD to open it.
Also getting the scrolls/sigils from eLoL would still be a big time/AD investment.
Doing the dailies takes you ~1h for the 5 zones. You need to do it for ~17 days, that's 17 hours invested / book.
If eLoL would drop 1 sigil + 1 scroll every run, you would need to do 100 eLoL runs / book, which is 100x ~10mins or ~17 hours. So timewise, it's the same amount of grind, while AD-wise you would spend an extra 500k AD opening the chests.
So getting the books by farming eLoL would be a bigger investment, bith AD & timewise, than doing the dailies, esp since most parties can't do eLoL in 10mins.
"Request: Add 1 Cult Secret and 1 Dragon Lore to the eSoT and eLoL chest."
I always think your campaigns should emphasize your premier content. It takes 100 of each to get a book, but you have to run around doing stupid content to get them. Yeah I called your zerg dragons on a timer content stupid, sue me! Okay at the very least randomly add 1 or the other to eSot and eLoL with which one showing up in the chest as random. Some prize to blunt the "Range" of having uber rare books drop. It is weird that the only way to blunt the "randomness of drops" is to stop doing the content with the random drops in the first place. Whaaa? That is: don't like the 1% chance of a drop? Just don't play the game. If you added 1 cult secret and 1 dragon lore to eSoT and eLoL, it would say, "don't like the range? Well in 100 runs you are guarenteed a drop."
Technically you are doubling the expected value of eSot and eLoL, but you are greatly diminishing the variance by doing this.
Do you mean Cult Secrets on eSoT and Dragon SIGILS (I believe you meant) to eLoL or one of both to bot dungeons? I think getting the books would become too easy if you could get one from running 50 eSoTs, which is done in quite fast with half decent group, probably in one day...
I would like to see Page of Arcane Lore x5/10 to be exchangeable to one of either tokens, as currently I am flooding my inventory with Lore form the dailies/weeklies and there is nothing to do with them...
Give us 4 or more power/item bar profiles so we can change powers and items with one click that are suited for the situation.
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I support this 100%!
"This run of group content is guaranteed to get you as far a long toward the boon as a single dragon in a public zone."
It sucks that you can do eSoT and eLoL and be no closer to getting a boon then when you started. I mean with normal gear drop rates that sort of "you are no closer then when you started" is tolerable, but with something like a 1% chance it starts to be suspicious that public dragons can get you steadily toward your goal, while group content does not. That is what I am trying to disrupt.
If nothing else, I could get SOMETHING out of running endless amounts of skirmish/elol's. (get a book and sell it..)
As it is, I get r5 and 66 silver and a scroll for my efforts. Very nice!
New 13k gs req dungeon drops t1 or blue trash items. I would love to hear their reasoning behind that. This goes for last boss as well, the dragon. That one actually doesn't even drop anything most of the time, and when it finally does, it's GREEN JUNK!
Laughable.
It would be a pain for the people who already worked hard.
Stop being lazy and farm !!
Lol, 100 sigils and secrets per book? seriously? 20 days of farming 5 dragons? this would reduce it to what? 17 day.
The whole system is already a giant pain and time sink. I spend something like 4+ hours a day doing the bare minimum of dailies. This isn't lazy dude.
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Well when I see in zen market that you can unlock dread ring and sharandar campaign I was upset as well. BUt can they put this one also and could they also have lvl 60 unlock in zen market I want 6 different char with unlock campaign and lvl 60 char in an instant.
2 toons maybe, 5, no way and my 6th i cant even start TOD i hate it that much.
I agree with OP 100% it needs to be done, before we start loosing more.
No. Running eSOT takes at least as long as running one dragon zone. So it is not less grinding it is less waiting to grind. And even if you did all of them for Mod4 word is you need more books in Mod5 so it would help you too...
No say you could run ESOT in 15 minutes and had a group that could run it for 8 hours straight that would be 32 of each. Now a book is 1.5 mil AD or 3k zen or 30$. If you cannot make 30$ in 8 hours you fail at life.
Edit: or you live in a thrid world country in which case I do not begrudge you working that hard at a game you enjoy enough to do that.
Yes. Not all of us have the time to do dozens of common causes each day.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
And? Each of the boon books cost 100 of each.
I don't see how this is an issue. By the time you unlock eLoL, you're already at the "end" of the campaign.
Adding the chance of a sigil or secret to the EPIC versions of the chest would also motivate more people to stopping farming the easier normal modes, and step into the epic versions.
One possibility might be to award *one* sigil/secret per day for doing eSoT and eLoL.
Its better then nothing..
I think if they also add 3 scrolls on the weekly portal quest, at least , you would eventually get the books that way. It would take forever, but that way there is a viable way to skip the stupid waiting on the spawn dragons thing.
At least give us the option of using Celestial Coins to buy sigils or secrets as with Sharandar and Dread Ring if being opposed to giving us the currency through LoL/SoT chests.
A bit OT but I was thinking about it some this morning, and the only time I feel rewarded by this game is when Akro gives out free companions during the livestreams and that is not even when I'm playing the game. Everything else in NW just feels like a chore these days with little to no rewards for my mammoth efforts.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
Sharandar you had to go to travel over a large map area to finish quests.
Dread did the opposite, you had a much smaller map with option quests and a daily mini dungeon to advance campaign.
Ice wind dale had a medium sized location with an attempt to make the experience more dynamic and open concept.
Tyranny of Dragons is trying to build on the open concept format by integrating more with the game world, making it more pve.
So how could the campaign tracking system be improved ?
Also getting the scrolls/sigils from eLoL would still be a big time/AD investment.
Doing the dailies takes you ~1h for the 5 zones. You need to do it for ~17 days, that's 17 hours invested / book.
If eLoL would drop 1 sigil + 1 scroll every run, you would need to do 100 eLoL runs / book, which is 100x ~10mins or ~17 hours. So timewise, it's the same amount of grind, while AD-wise you would spend an extra 500k AD opening the chests.
So getting the books by farming eLoL would be a bigger investment, bith AD & timewise, than doing the dailies, esp since most parties can't do eLoL in 10mins.
and one sigil.
Do you mean Cult Secrets on eSoT and Dragon SIGILS (I believe you meant) to eLoL or one of both to bot dungeons? I think getting the books would become too easy if you could get one from running 50 eSoTs, which is done in quite fast with half decent group, probably in one day...
I would like to see Page of Arcane Lore x5/10 to be exchangeable to one of either tokens, as currently I am flooding my inventory with Lore form the dailies/weeklies and there is nothing to do with them...