test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
Windows Vista low fps help
shhbacon
Member Posts: 100 Arc User
Theres no tech help forums so no clue where to put this.
I upgraded from xp, my fps was fine in xp, but after installing vista im always in the red.
I upgraded because of the constant game crashes.
Yes i know its old but i aint got 247$ to buy win7 or 8.
I tried the newest drivers and some other display drivers no effect.
My specs are
A6-6400k black edition @4ghz
geforce 650 gtx 1gb
Kingston HyperX Fury Red 4GB 1600MHz ram
500gb hd
windows vista business 64x
550w coolmaster psu 40a on the 12v rail
I upgraded from xp, my fps was fine in xp, but after installing vista im always in the red.
I upgraded because of the constant game crashes.
Yes i know its old but i aint got 247$ to buy win7 or 8.
I tried the newest drivers and some other display drivers no effect.
My specs are
A6-6400k black edition @4ghz
geforce 650 gtx 1gb
Kingston HyperX Fury Red 4GB 1600MHz ram
500gb hd
windows vista business 64x
550w coolmaster psu 40a on the 12v rail
Post edited by shhbacon on
0
Comments
Is the most outrageous variant of Windows (using 2G of ram only for itself - ****
Ask Microsoft if there is a chance of upgrading vista to 7 ...
And never use the game at full graphics. Full graphics are for super machines (multi-core cpus , videocard with at least 256k BUS, megacoolers, mega powersource - like 1500+ W).
Most of the games are using 50-70% of CPU - they are designed like that (they want the game to give you full bling-bling). You give them food - they will it it !
stop this win8 hate, win8 is a good os with bad ui choice, win8.1 fixes most of the ui problems, while vista is a fail(at best u can view it as beta for win7)
to op - what resolution are u playing on, what settings ? after reinstalling the game did u adjust settings ?
your hardware should allow to play without problems, though not at max settings, check what processes are eating up most bottlenecked resources
try to find whats the bottleneck, there are some options that do eat up more resources than they should
on top of this game being really badly optimized
My rig isn't a super machine. Just using a 2GB card with a driver that's 2 years old. No watercooler either and CPU doesn't go past 55% and just a 750W supply. Full graphics isn't wrecking mine.
That's usually a sign of a CPU bottleneck, and in most games, the only real way to relieve a CPU bottleneck from game settings is to draw fewer things each frame.
Just how bad of frame rates are we talking about here? If you're getting 40 frames per second, then I'd dismiss it as that's all your hardware can do and nothing is wrong. If you're getting 5 frames per second, then something is seriously wrong.
How fast is your CPU clocked while playing the game? I don't mean, what did you tell the BIOS to try to set it to. I mean, what is it actually running at? Catalyst Control Center may or may not be able to help you here; CPU-Z certainly can. If you're overheating and the CPU is running at 1.4 GHz or some such while you're playing the game, that's the problem.
It would also help if you'd give your full system specs, not just kind of giving some vague details. What case are you using--and more to the point, how many case fans does it have and how big? Exactly which power supply is that--give the exact model, not just the wattage. Is that a single 4 GB memory module or two 2 GB modules?
Also, Windows 7 or 8.1 would cost $100, not $247. I have no idea where the $247 figure came from.
Quaternion from the previous forum
If you think you've made the game playable at max settings, that just means you don't know what max settings are. renderscale alone can make any computer provide unplayably slow frames at sufficiently stupid settings.
Quaternion from the previous forum
I've heard rumours that windows 8 users MAY get a free upgrade to windows 10 (they're skipping a number). So I'd personally get windows 8 just for the possibility of that. Start 8 or something similar (have to pay a small amount for) solves the ui issues.
I think the vista gets more hate than it deserves. It was a pretty good os to me (obviously 7 improves upon it), though if you have low resources you could probably feel the pain.
Can't say for max setting having only an older mid range card which does a fine job. Most cpus for a while are multi core and games in general aren't that multi core optimized for the higher core cpus. GPU is obviously important. Cooling is certainly not, it just keeps temps down and helps with overclocking, super fancy cooling is not a requirement. 1500W is completely unneccesary for even sli GTX 980s. You're really overhyping the demands.
Everything that can be touched in the options is maxed...
Oh man, I dunno what to say. You moved from XP to Vista.... eww.
Anyway, the bare minimum is to install win7.
The ideal would be Cryptic to put out Linux client and I would uninstall windoze on the spot. (TBH I find it interesting that always MMO games that are keeping me on win.............................. ..... dafuq....) I just love this game too much to be not able to play.
Anyway, srsly drop Vista.
Even the full licensed version of windows 8 is only around $120.
And as bad as the UI is you can get free or paid programs to give MS the perverbial raspberry and fix the UI. It sucks we have to do it but Windows 8 is actually a good OS (and cheaper) with a bad UI. Save a few bucks, get a better OS and kill the UI and insult MS for their idiocracy in thinking it was a good UI.
And sadly the truth is that you likely did downgrade by upgrading. As others mentioned Windows XP only requires 256 (I think) MB or RAM to operate. Windows Vista Requires 1 Gig. I remember how many people, including less knowledgable people in my family, bought Vista computers with 1 Gig of RAM thinking they were good to go and then asked me to help them figure out why their computers were so slow and the ultimate cause was having 1 Gig of RAM on an OS which requires 1 Gig to function.
So the first place to start is to actually tell us your computer specs.
CPU?
RAM?
Graphics Card?
The least likely culprit to cause crashes is your OS and sadly if your system is running Windows XP (has not been sold in 8 years) your computer is ancient in computer terms. In truth this may be something you want to save your pennies for and just buy a whole new computer rather than upgrading yours because computer parts that old are not necessarilly easy to evewn consider replacing piecemeal.
For instance if you ever want to upgrade your CPU you will end up having to buy a Motherboard and CPU.
If you upgrade your motherboard and your CD drive or Hard Drive use IDE connectors then both of those need to be replaced.
And at the heart of it all is that the standard number of plugs for motherboards has more or less changed from 20 to 24 so if your PSU doesn't have a 24 pin connector you may end up buying a new one of that too (that's if your current one isn't the horrendously low 200W of the time period which can't run modern systems even if it has a 24 pin connector)
So yeah...first step...system specs.
Second step, figuring out what the cause is.
Third step, upgrades which for a system that old likely means junking what you have and buying new.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
My specs are in my first post oO
OS for 120$ is for oem that means i have to buy a new motherboard or a hard drive in order to get it for 120$.
To buy it without buying a part its 219$, and thats through a store, as i dont buy online.
Post the rest of your system specs. You posted some partial stuff, but not really enough to say what you have.
CPU usage going up and down doesn't mean much. CPU clock speed is what I want to see--and you need a real-time measurement of it, not just what it says on the box.
The task manager screenshot did at least rule out one possible cause: you're not running out of memory.
Quaternion from the previous forum
I got the clock speed from the bios, it runs about 40c while in game.
the only other info i can think of that i left out is the mainboard which is a gigabyte f2a55m-ds2.
Go read post #13 on this thread. There's no sense in me typing it all over again only for you to ignore it again. There are a lot of important specs that you left out entirely.
You need to measure the CPU clock speed while the game is running and giving you frame rate problems. Presumably the game isn't running while you're in the BIOS, so the target clock speed there is not relevant.
Quaternion from the previous forum
Quaternion from the previous forum
Nor would you need a new motherboard or hard drive even if it was OEM. Stop using whatever reference you are using because it's absolutely not true...
If you go to a store you'll find full liscenced copies of windows 8 for the exact same price. I only used Microsoft as a reference because it would avoid any form of retail store endorsement. Look it's Best Buy...
And just so you get the final nail in the coffin look here's Best Buy selling the real OEM version...
Wherever you are getting your info from is completely incorrect.
And your best bet is to simply follow the instructions quotable is giving you.
If i lived where you were sure it be easy... Not every town has a bestbuy.
Under overview it states "Must be purchased with system or qualifying hardware"
Though i dont know how legit cpuz is cause the fm1 and 2 chipset has issues with monitoring temps and stuff.
this pic was of just 1 core
If your CPU is the issue try to turn off CPU heavy options like max physics particle debris.
Was the game the active window, and AIDA had some sort of "always on top" option activated to make it visible? Or was AIDA the active window and the game throttling back performance severely because it wasn't the active window? The latter won't give you a clean measurement of CPU clock speeds while playing the game.
The first screenshot shows the CPU at 1.8 GHz. That can happen because it thinks it is idle, or it can happen because it's overheating. If the game is the active window, it's not going to think it's idle, so overheating would be the probable culprit. But again, you need measurements while the game is the active window. If you have to put the other program off to the side and only have the game cover 3/4 of the monitor, try that.
And how bad of frame rates are you talking about here? 5 frames per second? 40?
Quaternion from the previous forum
The Windows 7 license system had an OEM version ($100) and a full version ($200). The OEM version was nominally for companies who assemble computers and sell them to someone else, but you can buy your own OEM version and install it yourself on any computer and Microsoft will be perfectly happy that you paid for it. What they really meant by "for a computer that you build for someone else" was "if you buy the OEM version and can't get it to work, we're not going to provide tech support for you". For the full version, they would offer such tech support for 90 days. The full version can also be transferred from one computer to another, provided that you uninstall it from the first computer; the OEM version cannot be legally transferred.
For Windows 8, Microsoft officially changed the license agreement to be less restrictive on "this is only for a computer that you build for someone else". They also reduced the price of the full version to $120, while leaving the OEM version at $100. The OEM version, whether for Windows 7, 8, 8.1, or whatever isn't for big companies like Dell or HP; they actually get a cheaper version. The real difference between the OEM and full versions is that the OEM version is tied to the computer that you first installed it on, while the full version can be transferred.
As I said above, you can buy an OEM version and install it and it will work fine. If you tell Microsoft that's what you're going to do, they'll be happy you paid, not upset that you're technically violating something in the EULA that was put there because lawyers advocate putting all sorts of restrictions in the EULA to make the company harder to sue. If you read the terms of service agreement to pretty much any online game, for example, it will basically say that they can ban you for any reason they feel like and you have no recourse. That doesn't mean that Perfect World wants to ban people at random; it means that they don't want to get sued if they have to ban someone causing trouble in a creative way that the company hadn't thought of ahead of time.
And if you're in Canada, well, take your pick:
http://www.ncix.com/detail/microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-c0-45271-1081.htm
http://www.ncix.com/detail/microsoft-windows-8-1-64bit-english-dd-91219-1081.htm
But don't buy from Best Buy, even if there were one local. They overcharge for basically everything, and will push random junk on you if you don't know what you ought to be looking for.
Quaternion from the previous forum