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grac3n77
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I encounter some GWF which is too OP I hit kill is ridiculously insane no matter how well is your def and deflect I think it disregard your defense you cant even dodge. Can they make it at lease two hit kill I have 30k hp and they hack me like paper.
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lol
So, 30K HP is supposed to evaporate in a single/double proc lol?
People complain about storm spell and Assailant even today, and they hit for 4-6k/2-3K on geared people.
To the OP:
The GWF Senti build is the few FOTM lame <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, based on Intimidation procs off high Power build. They are tanky and can two-shot you as well, amazing stuff.
Also part of Cryptic well-written novel series "We broke Balance! (again and again)".
No I'm not a GWF, matter of fact I'm a DC, who don't even play PVP anymore , due to all the imbalance of glyph's and the way match making works. I've always been a PVE DC since the start. But it is really good to see people overcome so challenges and make new builds to counter new Mods than comes out.
Please don't bring up the glyph's I'm not talking about it, everybody know it is buggy.
I have one of each class to 60 and have pvp'd enough to get a profound set, crystal raven on each , other then the TR, which I just got to 60.
Doesnt mean Im in the top of every class, but I know enough to comment on balance about them. There is zero reason to complain about the GWF class right now. They do in fact sacrifice DPS to go sent. The problem is people expect to just roll over and get killed in 5 seconds.
If you in fact knew that persons gear score vs your own, would make at least a more knowledgeable debate, people getting rolled over by others with 4-7k more gear score or even more, then roll into the forums to complain. 30k hps isnt nothing, its a start, but dont you believe for a second that a person with all the boons/bis equipment, perfect weapon enchants, perfect barkshield, isnt going to completely dominate you.
You want to complain about something, then complain about the fact that they continue to release <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> modules/gear to extend the amount of gear score/boons every 4-5 months, so it just keeps getting worse and worse to stay caught up with that.
Considering 45-50k is what you will get with BiS gear, yes 30K is a reasonable amount of HP.
geezas christ...
if u ever want to make again a post pointing a class.. just say about all classes
cause GWF ain't nothing special to CWS , HRS and GFs .
i am one that have alot of power with intimidation and i've done 1vs1 against them.
1vs1 GWF sentinel sux big time.
it's good as support.
and in D&D book ,if u ever read it, it clearly say that GWF is an AOE CLASS !!!!!!!! and do alot of damage... finally this is someth worth it.
they placed GWF right now on a good stage. making viable AOE in pvp and destroyer as single target as well .
so stop whining, like the DC guy said, a good player finds a way to fight against them.
i have close to 40 with rank 7 only and caprese and i play tr class with lowest base hp
30 was decent for last year
Oh boy the DC rework cant be on live soon enough.
oh yeah and
"30k HP is so last year!"
this is just ridicolous. If you dont care much about offense capability and slot radiants all over what does that have to do with other peoples builds that are more offense orientated and still have 30k HP (which is still 50% of the base HP!)...
pretty much senti come and get it and daring shout do more dmg than fully stacked destroyer IBS lol.
It's called INTIMIDATION for a reason
Yes, coinsidering that there are really few GWFs anymore in the first page of pvp "heroes" (2 last time I checked), they are under represented there. If you check the scores, HRs are ruling at the moment the pvp. There are many HRs that can OHK my 15k GS GWF sent with bow and still out DPS me in melee and kill me before I can even seriously hurt them. Also some of the SWs are quite insane, with huge loads of HP, ability to runs as fast as GWF, use ranged attack with high damage lingering effects and do terrible amounts of single target DPS. Talking about OP classes, I think SW will bring tears to many when they reach the end of the boon trees...
One's enchants have no effect on what gear one is using. Enchants are a means of tailoring the deficiencies in every gear to fit one's desired playstyle. 30 is bloody good for a TR. It can be stacked using radiants in defensive slots and the right boons, but 30 is bloody good.
Sharra Del'Armgo - SW Trapper Hybrid HR
Ogghra Bar'Ghuzumn - MI Scoundrel TR
Vænna Thrymskjöldr - IV Protector GF
Top TRs are at about 40-45K Hp nowadays.
30K HP is quite bad, regardless your class, but it's almost at the "good for pugging" limit.
By the way:
- my 10K GS GWF without enchants&boons has 35K HP
- my 9K GS CW without ench./boons has 29.5K HP
If one can get almost 30K HP without even putting Rank 1s in their gear, or acquiring any boons, you can understand how bad 30K actually is.
30k is bloody good pre-mod 4. Every player worth mentioning has 3 legendary artifacts as well as a legendary belt and weapon. Non-tanks are going at 40-45k HP.
Tanks are going for 50-60k HP.
You cannot tell me 25% HP difference is not a big deal especially since everyone is running red glyphs
How some are reaching 60k hp?Even with full con,(24) ,all defensive slots with R10s and the vanguard legendary and the GWf legendar artifact that give hp it is highly unlikely to reach 52-53k hp.Even then so if they do they will be terribly missing in other stats especially offensive.
I inspected one time on of the 3 top GFs in leaderboard and i was shocked to see i was surpassing him in nearly all stats except hp.
All these builds you mention are exploiting builds warshipping multiple deities ,using every potion known to man and using glyphs to min max their offensive stats.Even then numerically they are few and between.
I don't know how warshipping multiple deities could lead to HP increases, but using the many consumables introduced throughout this game's lifetime is a legit way to increase your HP.
Also, good for you for stalking a top 3 GF on the leaderboard and realizing you have better gear than them. Keep in mind that some of them got there because they abused a broken GF build and that isn't really their main toon.
It is possible. My GF has 59-60k hp, mainly due to constitution belt and black ice gear.
Back on topic.... well I think the majority of people know how stupid this new change is. Sentinel needs damage but this is the wrong way to do it.
The people who defend these types of OP things are like a cancer for this game. I just hope they do not nerf this to uselessness though.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
While all the forumers insisted that destro was the way to go and sent "could not kill a thing" they were some elite pvpers that were claiming "sent is a must even now for pvp"
When the big GWf changes were made and the GWFs were whinning in baracks one of them wrote "Do not get INTIMITATED guys.We ll find a way
I met a high geared GWF in pvp.We won his team and then offered 1vs 1 against our 18k gs GWF.As he was fighting him and the rest were watching out of a sudden he oneshot him.I though well that was a crazy critical.
He then offered a 1vs1 vs me.Lost 80% of my hp out of a sudden.The rest GWF asked him "what is your build?how you have these criticals"? And he said "It is a secret build
Now that i combine these i think that troll build was around longer than we think.It is just the recent buff that made it obvious to use to anyone.And some forumer got oneshotted and brought this to the forums.
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Ask Zengiah?:P I think it was him, if my memory is still good -> cw with 56k hp
and i saw dc with 57k hp
What "skill"?
Tell me what kind of "skill" is involved with an proc auto-hit damage. Specifically, please do tell what we can do with our "skill" to avoid a damage which doesn't come from an aimed skill, but simply procs off other damage.
Ah. No wonder.
Try playing it actually, and let's see how well you fare with your "skill" against the GWF sentinel intimidation.
..."skill" ... *pfffft*
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
The match was close one but at one point we were at 880-830 we were 4 vs 3 in mid.The 2 Sents were there....and then my team8s bodies and mine made a pile : P .Both the setns died cause they were outnumbered and by guarded assault.
But their team8 got the node and revived them.
The match turned there.From that point the 2 Sents figured it out were going together and fighting together.The HRs went after them ,could not see and dodge intimidation proc and were oneshotted : P .Well we lost.
These were mediocre GWFs.One bloodthirsty one dom champ.But i quess they were in my range 18k gs.
When this build starts to expand the logic says 2 or 3 GWFs will go mid.Average teams even premades will have a hard way battling these monsters.And i cannot even think what 20-21 Sents can do.
It is a matter of time before all destros reroll to Sents.Mod 2 again.But with sprint now.trololol.
From what you're saying it couldn't possible have been Intimidation build. Before the recent change intimidation did 50% power piercing damage not modified by anything, no crits or anything. So if he had 10k power the min and most he could have done is 5k per encounter. Hitting both encounters would mean like -25% hp from any PvP focused build
You are writing like you never know the pvp history and the unintended bugs that were running fr months.
Even now Intimidation should not hit much more than 5k acording to crush.But it hits for 30-44k .
And even now crush as applied to Ayroux cannot find a bug.
What is the logical to assume?
My logic says it was BUGGED BEFORE even the changes.And hell i think it critted even then or got unintetioned buffs.
first of all this changes came 1-2 patch notes ago , AND IT WAS CLEARLY STATED THAT NOW INTIMIDATION WILL BENEFIT DAMAGEBONUS/CRIT/ARMORPEN AND CAN BE BLOCKED BY DEFENSE/DEFLECT/DODGE/BLOCK.
before it was like zvieris said. we could do CAGI/Daringshout without even be countered.. only by CW shield and GF shield.
CW can still burn GWF even if they use intimidation or not... stop thinkin that GWF are op, cuz they still get killed and controlled by CWs in 1vs1...
finally there are 2 viable builds
1 destroyer
and 1 sentinel that is better as support on node 2.
and it can be countered by 1 gf playin on node 2 with knight valor.. simple as <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that.
if u are a scrub against 21k gs of course you die fast, there isn't even a problem about balancing.
i have 10k power 2k armor pen, not once i critted over 30k damage against premades....
maybe max of 20k on a TR ... but your numbers are WOW !!!!!
maybe against scrubs with pve gear you crit that, even CW/hrs one shot those kind of players.
but people who have tenacity and defensive stats, that damage won't crit that much... maybe if they are debuffed in some way ... but it's not ALWAYS that damage!!!!!!!!
not to mention u have cooldowns of 14 sec and 17 seconds, you take huge risk if you lose your encounters and not damage, and it doesnt always crit !!!! so yeah... let's complain about everythin even if they opened a new build and a new way to play GWF as a support class as it was intended from the start. GJ neverwinter community !!!
Crush never said it should hit for 5k. He only confirmed it's working as intended.
Hitting for 20-40k aoe dmg with two powers as a proc is clearly an ability of a support class… lmao.
Maybe your 10k power gwf is just played bad if u not could hit those numbers. Maybe even pve spec? :rolleyes: