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joshr1113
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I gained a new level 60 character and when I started doing pvp I realized that there are problems with the team matching system. It does not seem to take into account the gs, one team had all members below 10,000 and the other team all above 15,000. There is no problem when you have a respectable gs but when you start out, you get slaughtered most of the time. Has anyone else had this problem?
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We all need to do the same then they will give us a fantastic game !!
He wasn't asking if it was WAI, he asked if it had problems, and for anyone who PvP the answer will be yes, there are problems.
So, we just faced a premade of 20k+ GS team, while my pug group had around 15k. Did matchmaking you describe went on a vecation, and why didnt we get a memo about it ? Two of those players where on page 1, while myself around page 200 or so since I didnt play pvp lately ... so yeh ...matchmaking at its finest and that is just a case from today, there are plenty more from where that came from
With a GS matchmaking or a league system you can also have better leaderboards. I'd vote for several (custom?) leagues, modes and leaderboards, especially a mode in which premades are not allowed. The current matchmaking is not good.
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
No skill at 10k gs - simply not because person is too new in the game. And if we suppose there is skill, a 19-20k gs will just sit and hit while the skilled will jump around him.
The 10k gs gets always killed by 20k gs. Do the math.
I crit for 7-8k a 15k gs - imagine the poor 10k gs - sometime one hit is enough.
And by any means, do NOT underestimate a 20k gs - they are way too long in this to afford that gear and way too long in pvp to kill a very skilled 10k gs !
P.S. ofc there is a problem - I can take off my clothes and join - this is not my problem, this is the programers problem (they must have records with my GS during the match not during my siting in enclave)
P.S.2 Ok too much free ideas to develop a product that is not mine. You are free to use them, but I'll stop here
This would support one of two conculsions, and could equally support both:
1) There isn't a significant pool of PvP players to draw from
or
2) The gap between top tier and casual isn't large enough to draw a fair pool from were GS to be a factor in matchmaking
Which very well could be the case. You have two tiers of PvP players:
a) Those whose entire game experience is PvP (hardcore). These guys eat, breathe, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, and sleep PvP. They may even have explicit dreams about PvPing. They're the ones that min/max everything to the Nine Hells and back and compare every build, power, and angle for even the slightest possible mathematical advantage over another player. These guys are going to have epic, top-tier PvP gear and high rank enchants.
b) Those who play PvP for fun/dailies/what have you (casuals). These are the team tryout kind of guys...the ones who have either just hit 60 and are doing PvP for the daily or to farm glory to get better PvP gear to get competitive. Likely they don't have a bunch of alts that can provide them with AD to get good gear from the AH straight into 60. There's the occasional one or two that just...simply doesn't have an idea how to gear, for lack of a better way of saying it.
Now, consider that this really isn't a PvP-centric game. Therefore, you're going to have a small percentage of hardcore PvP players and the vast majority are going to be casuals. Most hardcore PvPers, too, are going to queue as premades rather than individually.
And try to get one balanced team from that, let alone two teams equally balanced against each other...
It's like getting a draft pool for which you have two pro-level players and a bunch of Pop Warner-caliber players to choose from.
(NOTE: Any attempts at humor in this post are most likely dry and spur-of-the-moment.)
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Actually that response is kinda embarrassing by the devs, because it shows just how little they know about the leaderboards functionality even tho they are the ones who made it probably. Or maybe not? What do we know anyway.
If you average about 20 matches per day. You get a good sense of how it works anyway. And im sure there are no devs in this game that does this, certainly not a dev that would come up with that response.
where are people with 10k gs and below on that chart? then compare it to 20k+.
I doubt even the average casual PvPer plays 20 matches per day, given that you need only four to meet your daily requirement. That would pretty much fit the definition of hardcore. Also, the post still addresses the matter of why gear score isn't a factor in PvP matchmaking, hence the reason it was given for reference.
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Well, NWO doesn't have any kind of decently sized community on PvE nor PvP, this game have few people, but saying Hours... you are exageratinga little
1- Today I had 2 roflstomp on PvP, my team won like 1000-100 and I queued in 1-2 minutes, so there you have a thing that could work better than now, making the matchamking system (no matter how many people is queueing) to wait for at least 3 min after you queued to put you on a match (more ppl on the queue, better match).
don't people cheat that leaderboard thing anyways? it can't be trusted.....at all
and all of that can be trumped by having a saved record of everyone's highest gs to prevent anyone from ever going down a bracket.
So, GS means nothing, but they all have the best gear. Makes perfect sense.
So they have no gear, no easy way to get gear, and they should be allowed to match up with people with the best gear. Again, makes perfect sense.
One - You have no idea how many people are casuals and how many are hardcore, who wants to actually play PvP and who is just doing the daily.
Two - Just because there is only a portion of the players wanting to "PvP hardcore" does not mean that you ignore them and just shove them in with casuals. PvE hardcore grinders do NOT grind with people with say 16k GS or less, and they have a system that allows them to PvE in the way they choose, there is no such system for PvP. In PvP even if you do premade as a hardcore you can end up vs. a bunch of "casuals" with 13-15k GS while you have 22K GS.
Three - Under the system in place, the only place for someone that didn't want to "PvP hardcore" would be doing a solo que. This means that friends cannot play together unless they are feeling lucky and avoid a bloodbath.
Other games do it all the time actually, it's called a working matchmaking system.
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You lock the gear as you que so people cannot switch out. Also, your post just proves how gear can completely trump skill.
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How about this, to anyone that thinks GS means nothing or is not significant enough to factor in, this includes the dev who made the post, try the following.
1 - Get a group of 10 people total, yourself and 9 others, of somewhat equal skill.
2 - Outfit one team of 5 with 20K worth of GS, and the other team with 10K worth of GS.
3 - Have 5 matches with each other, the 5 20K on team 1 and the 5 10K on team 2, and tell us who won and who lost.
4 - With the same people, swap GS now. The 20K now get gear only worth 10K GS and vice versa.
5 - Fight 5 more matches and record who won and who lost.
After all that post the results, or a video.
P.S If GS did not factor in, then we would be fighting naked, I don't see that happening in PvP right now.
if you were a 17k, then you still likely have gear on par with it when you swapped. definitely far more than the 14k's running around with lesser weapon/armor enchants, all enchants actually giving gs, and purple/blue artifacts.
But, really all snarcy comments aside it is a priority till you give them a reason for it to be. It is a company that needs profits, and the only way it would be cost effective would to have a mod/ mini mod for it and content you would pay for.
Agreed. Wow, truer words I have not read in a long time! Like my boss always say: "If your not paying for it, DEAL WITH IT or MOVE ON, its FREE for gods sake!" :rolleyes:
Team balance would be a lot easier without 5 man premades.
2 man premade limit would have the effect of spreading out these BiS teams.
A lot easier to find a balanced team when one isn't a premade 19+K gs 5 man premade.
Not unfrequently my PUG gets paired against a 20k+ team. Not an average 20+. ALL the five red guys are 20k+ with five legendaries.
Tired of Dailies/Tyranny of Dailies/Timers of Doom/Tricked Or Duped/Tremendously Obnoxious Dailies/Try Otherwise, Devs
People are complaining about getting to team up with pre-made 20k+ groups. Well now, those players either farmed their arses off or buy some AD to get their artifacts to maximum. Either way they deserve the edge or why else would they do it? You should be glad that there are people that are willing to pay for the game or else there would be no game to play at all. So if you don't pay or you don't farm hard enough, just chew over few "unjust" loses in battlegrounds. Win some, lose some... GS is the most important part of every MMORPG, every such a game is made about GS and build, you farm to get higher GS, that's the point of the game. You just need to find out which stats, skills, feats and armor set is best for your playstyle. An I can say it's gonna cost you plenty of AD to find what you need cos you can't just dwell on what you read on forums cos power of skills can be changed any given moment with update and what was good build month ago can be pretty crappy nowadays