GWF: Defense vs Hit Points after 45k HP for PvP - which one and why?

nezraal

Argument 1: Defense is better

- A lot of players have ArP and to cut down damage add more defense.
- 2xPvP rings and 4xB.Ice gear means you have sufficient tenacity which works best with a higher defense
- 5/5 Steely Defense, 20% defense as Power

Argument 2 : HP is better

- 29 CON (potential) and toughness gives you a lot of HP
- Because some players have a high ArP, it's meaningless to carry a high defense

After 45k HP (which I think is decent), which of these arguments win, HP or Defense ? If possible, please elaborate why.

effectenstein

POWER CRIT ARMOR PEN , destroyer purpose stacks , thats what will gonna win. kappa

nezraal

effectenstein wrote: »

POWER CRIT ARMOR PEN , destroyer purpose stacks , thats what will gonna win. kappa

1. That's not my question.
2. Pure > Corrupted if you are not PvPing pugs

b3llist0r

Theory/math based answer.
I used a calculation of effective hit points.

EHP = HP * 1/(1-DR/100) * 1/(1-DC*DS/10000)

EHP: Effective hit points
HP: Hit points
DR: Damage reduction in % (add Tenacity in PvP)
DS: Deflect severity in %
DC: Defelct chance in %

You can calculate an EHP boost (EHP+) for each increase and compare them directly.

EHP+ = ( EHP[new] / EHP[old] - 1 ) * 100%

Example: You have 45000HP and 55% DR and a defense rating of 3000
+1200HP -> EHP+ = 2,67%
+300 defense rating -> DR+ = 1,07% (LINK) -> EHP+ = 2,44%

... hit points

//Bellistor

nezraal

b3llist0r wrote: »

Theory/math based answer.
I used a calculation of effective hit points.

EHP = HP * (1+DR/100) * (1+ DS/100 * DC/100)

EHP: Effective hit points
HP: Hit points
DR: Damage reduction in % (add Tenacity in PvP)
DS: Deflect severity in %
DC: Defelct chance in %

You can calculate an EHP boost (EHP+) for each increase and compare them directly.

EHP+ = ( EHP[new] / EHP[old] - 1 ) * 100%

Example: You have 45000HP and 55% DR and a defense rating of 3000
+1200HP -> EHP+ = 2,67%
+300 defense rating -> DR+ = 1,07% (LINK) -> EHP+ = 1,1%

... hit points

//Bellistor

This I LOVE!! FANTASTIC!

b3llist0r

There was an error. Now as i was able to login i corrected it.

//Bellistor

nezraal

b3llist0r wrote: »

There was an error. Now as i was able to login i corrected it.

//Bellistor

I am at work, so I didn't have to crunch numbers yet.

EHP = HP * 1/(1-DR/100) * 1/(1-DC*DS/10000)

EHP: Effective hit points
HP: Hit points
DR: Damage reduction in % (add Tenacity in PvP)
DS: Deflect severity in %
DC: Defelct chance in %

You can calculate an EHP boost (EHP+) for each increase and compare them directly.

EHP+ = ( EHP[new] / EHP[old] - 1 ) * 100%



Correct formula? (Will play with some numbers when I go home).

b3llist0r

nezraal wrote: »

I am at work, so I didn't have to crunch numbers yet.
[...]
Correct formula? (Will play with some numbers when I go home).

Yes.

50% DR will double, 75% DR quadrupple and 10% will give around 11% more EHP than HP.
DC and DS work in the same way. 50% to avoid 50% equal a 25% DR which gives 33% more EHP.

The concept is simple and you have to consider life leech (pro defense), regeneration (pro hit points), potions (pro defense), healing spells, artifacts, existing buff food... too.

//Bellistor

nezraal

This is great, thank you.