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Can we please have an option to get our black ice main hand and arms through PvP?
runonnike
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Can we PLEASE have an option to get our black ice main hand and arms through PvP?
1. After all, they ARE also PvP items.
2. It would give support classes, like the GF, TR, and DC, better chances to get their much-needed gear.
3. Some PvPers I know are spending most of their time in the Icewind Dale zones, leaving them little time to do what they REALLY want.
4. If people are worried about old players abandoning the heroic encounters, they can put their fears aside. There will always be CWs and GWFs who really LOVE to do HEs. Additionally, many of the older players will still do HEs because the quests grant a free 250 black ice (and that adds up a lot over time).
The gear can be achievements theough the PvP Campaign, much like the "Dominator's Cloak" and the "Dextrous" rings. The arms could be granted by scoring 75,000 total points, and the main hand at 100,000.
Keep in mind, this would NOT replace the current drop system.
EDIT: If you guys think this system would make it too easy for PvPers to get their BI gear, then double the points. 200,000 points for the main hand and 150,000 points for the arms.
1. After all, they ARE also PvP items.
2. It would give support classes, like the GF, TR, and DC, better chances to get their much-needed gear.
3. Some PvPers I know are spending most of their time in the Icewind Dale zones, leaving them little time to do what they REALLY want.
4. If people are worried about old players abandoning the heroic encounters, they can put their fears aside. There will always be CWs and GWFs who really LOVE to do HEs. Additionally, many of the older players will still do HEs because the quests grant a free 250 black ice (and that adds up a lot over time).
The gear can be achievements theough the PvP Campaign, much like the "Dominator's Cloak" and the "Dextrous" rings. The arms could be granted by scoring 75,000 total points, and the main hand at 100,000.
Keep in mind, this would NOT replace the current drop system.
EDIT: If you guys think this system would make it too easy for PvPers to get their BI gear, then double the points. 200,000 points for the main hand and 150,000 points for the arms.
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Well actually most of the very highest tier PvPers already have their BI gear. So we're talking about casual PvPers - the solo queue and duo queuers. And that being said, the games are usually to ROFL stomp or get ROFL stomped, so scores above 4k are not very common.
Now lets compare a PvPer and PvEer with rank 6s. PvE GWFs and CWs will easily get their items in less than 20 HEs. PvPers with rank 6s will most likely get stomped.
Besides, why can a PvP/PvE item be only optained through PvE?
So how do you rationalize the fact that you can do PVP content in any of the PVP armors. But its only PVE content that requires black ice armor?
What you are implying is actually incorrect in two ways:
1. The only reason for that requirement is so that the players would have a reason to grind Icewind Dale.
2. A GWF in "Avatar of War" will out-preform a GWF in corrupted or purified armor. Black ice gear isn't necessarily BiS for PvE.
It has overloads and it has Tenacity, so cheezers can cheeze with Reds... or whatever other color.
So it's BiS for most classes.
So basically you just proved the OPs point. He never asked to take it away from HEs and If its a hybrid then it should be earned in both PvP and PvE. I don't see your problem? He never said take it away from PvE, just to make it better for the people who haven't come to this game for PvE content or got bored of it.
Yes, because the pure random system works so well he wants an alternative, if not an outright advantage. I just don't agree with an advantage that only benefits a select group. Because clearly if the system was working and fair, the OP wouldn't of needed to propose this at all.
I have almost maxed out all my heroics and still no gloves and still no MH. The want to sell Black Ice kits !?!
Who would spend any zen for any of that when the drop rate is the worse I have ever seen in ANY MMO.
Actually it's 7 sets of gear. However, the BI gear is a straight upgrade from even the highest tier PvP gear. Therefore, BI gear is pretty much a must-need for PvP. On the contrary, for PvE Black Ice gear is not needed outside of Icewind Dale.
The point of a PvP option is not meant to give an unfair advantage, but to just plainly add another option. Think of it this way: if I want to PvP in this game, but can only get my PvP gear through PvE, do I any reason to enjoy this game? After 2 months of doing ONLY PvE, why should I keep on playing?
And actually, the current system "works" so well that many GFs, TRs, and (especially) DCs have not gotten their gear after grinding for TWO MONTHS. Sentence was a little long, so let me reiterate: in PvE, DPSers have an advantage that support classes don't have. In PvP, support classes play a stronger role, therefore, evening up the chances.
I continue to be amazed by the number of people who come to a game that is PVE-focused and based on killing dragons in dungeons, but who have absolutely no interest in killing dragons in dungeons. It's like someone downloads Call of Duty but complains that they don't like warfare, and can't they just enjoy the game without killing people? I mean really.
As things stand now, PVPers don't hardly have to do any PVE at all. You can get all of your gear and a great deal of AD entirely through PVP. And if the little remaining PVE that you have to do bothers you that much, you should find another game.
And a lot of people farm the IWD encounters stupidly. They go only for the Epic HEs, which seem to spawn only once every few hours, and then are immediately zerged by 40 people which dilutes greatly the chance of anyone getting 'great success' or an epic gear drop. (kinda like how certain Dragon HE's work now...) So they waste a lot of time in a futile attempt to get their gear. What they either don't understand, or refuse to acknowledge, is that every Major HE ALSO has a chance at dropping epic gear. Your chances are likely even BETTER at a Major HE because they spawn much more frequently (so more chances) and they are not immediately zerged by 40+ people when they spawn (individual contributions are weighted more heavily).
You're wrong. It would be like going to Call of Duty and instead of playing the boring quest line you decide that you much rather hop on Xbox live or whatever and fight real people instead of fake brainless idiots. Other guy had a point when he said it might be unfair to be able to get it easier in PvP... But you're not understandable, seems like you think everyone should be forced to do what you like and if they don't then they should leave. I got big news for ya bud, PvP is an aspect of this game. Don't like it? Don't play it instead of trying to flaunt the fact that this game was made for PvE royalty. I don't care if you feel that this game shouldn't have PvP and should only have PvE because you didn't make it.... Don't like it? I'll tell you what you tell us "Go find a 100% PvE game if you have a problem"
I ask you to find a game with BOTH the smooth combat system and slick interface that can rival with Neverwinter. But until then, it seems like seems like you are asking the WHOLE PvP community to HAMSTER off.
Actually, PvPers will still have to go into Icewind Dale zones to mines some black ice, and (as I have said previously) complete daily quests. While you bring up profit, I have two things to say.
1. 2 runs in "Dungeron Delves" will get you at least 16k AD, while FOUR runs of PvP will get you 8k AD.
2. Even though I have over 3 million AD available, I cannot do ANYTHING about my bracers or main hand expect get the cheap knockoffs.
When you are talking about the HE grinding, I'm assuming you're referencing my comment about 2 hours in Icewind zones each day. Let's do some math. 5 days a week x 2 hours each day = 10 hours. 10 hours x 4 weeks = 40 hours. Now, it doesn't really matter how stupidly you run the Heroic Encounters, but you should have the drop. And if this keeps on happening, a new system NEEDS to be implemented.
40 hours isn't nearly enough time if your grinding is done foolishly.
And yes this game would be much better if PVE and PVP were completely separated. You wouldn't have to put up with PVE at all, and I wouldn't have to put up with PVP whiners getting my class nerfed for PVE play because they can't beat them in the arena.
Doesn't matter. PVP is in this game and Black Ice gear is vastly superior to Profound gear for the majority of classes. TRs are probably the lone exception. I finally got my Purified set completed yesterday. Night and day when compared to my Profound Preserver gear. Overload slots make a massive difference. I immediately tried the Blue cheese. LOL. Now I know why I collapsed from page 54 to 326 in a week of pugging. Black Ice gear takes a giant dump on Profound gear. I was back up to page 97 within 5 PUG matches.
So whatever you may think, PVP is a part of this game and if you want to stand a chance you need Black Ice gear.
And the Black Ice gear is freely available to any PVPer who wishes to get it via the Heroic Encounters.
And if you can't/won't do that, you can even get the BI hat without the Heroic Encounters. The hat has an overload slot too.
But no, even that's not good enough for you. You want to be able to avoid PVE entirely. In a PVE-focused game.
If I have to put up with your PVP whining on the forums day in and day out demanding nerfs to every class that you can't beat, then you will have to put up with the itty-bitty amount of PVE that you have to do to get the few items of good gear that you claim you "need".
You know, it wasn't all that long ago that PVPers had to get all of their gear from the T2 dungeons just like every other player. Now, asking PVPers to participate in one small aspect of PVE in one single module of the game, while being able to avoid every single other PVE experience from level 10 forwards, is somehow this great travesty. When did PVPers get so entitled?
I both PVE and PVP. I was responding to your statement whereby you questioned PVPers being in a PVE game. PVP is here is all I was getting at. I also highlighted the importance of Black Ice gear, which you downplayed. I can now see it from both sides. Spent the last few weeks getting spanked by players in Black Ice gear, now that I have mine, suddenly I am a lot more effective.
You say you're name is pointsman, but you're not even close, man. For the third time, let me say this: we HAVE grinded HEs, we just have NOT gotten anything, so this is simply a proposed change.
Answer me these questions:
You're saying PvPers don't need their bracers? Or their main hand? Are you saying you want PvP players to NEVER have BiS gear? Because that's what I'm getting from your posts.
And FOR THE RECORD, PvE players do NOT need Black Ice gear outside of Icewind Dale. In fact, they WON'T be BiS with Black Ice gear equipped.
Will a player with one overslot or a player with two overload slots perform better?
Lastly, PvPers DO, in fact, PvE. The best transmutes come from seals, which come from dungeons; which, in turn, are PvE. Boons come from Sharandar, Dread Ring, Icewind Dale, and the Mod 4 places, which is PvE. HEs are PvE. Black Ice jewlery drops from Kessell's Retreat, which is (yeah, you're finally getting it) PvE! Besides, even if we didn't PvE, we could have bought all our gear in Mod 1 and 2, either through glory or AD. Mod 3 simply screwed with every class that couldn't put up massive DPS.
@magenubbie, That is a valid point, but for PvE, Black Ice gear is simply inferior to tier 2 sets from dungeons. For PvP, Black Ice gear is THE top-notch grar.
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