Special dragon key,yeah right

kabinoles

This is what I got with my special dragon key in skirmish,a scroll rank4 enchant and some gold
Yes ,the same things you get in the normal chest and 20.00 hours spending making it
Why call it special if you can get the same junk as the normal chest,I was shocked
and ppl pay real money for this
looks like special here means nothing you can get the same junk as the normal chest
20 hours for nothing


edit :did some epic today,the same reward but with rank 5
do I have to sacrifice something to get good loot,maybe a new born
I dont want this to go in the direction(juan direction) of IWD,it will be horrible

vasdamas

You can't open the chest with DD right? >.>


I won't say how outrageous it is as I have seen thing much worse.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

str8slayer

revjimjones wrote: »

decline the chest next time and save your Key

Yessir, this is how it's done.

damnataanimus

kabinoles wrote: »

This is what I got with my special dragon key in skirmish,a scroll rank4 enchant and some gold
Yes ,the same things you get in the normal chest and 20.00 hours spending making it
Why call it special if you can get the same junk as the normal chest,I was shocked
and ppl pay real money for this
looks like special here means nothing you can get the same junk as the normal chest
20 hours for nothing

Its basically the same as enchanted keys, except you have to run a dungeon to get the box to open. Yet another cash grab by cryptic, but honestly why is anyone surprised by this?

hfgtfsdfs

So far I got 2x green dex belts, 2x lantern artifact, 3x dragon gems in about 80 skirmish runs. All from legendary chest with the zen key.

cdnbison

Just 8 runs, but one Scepter of the Dragon Cult - from the Legendary box.

frishter

revjimjones wrote: »

decline the chest next time and save your Key

By stating this you could very well inform them to change this and we'll be screwed for real.

ironzerg79

damnataanimus wrote: »

Its basically the same as enchanted keys, except you have to run a dungeon to get the box to open. Yet another cash grab by cryptic, but honestly why is anyone surprised by this?

No, because they need to pay the bills somehow.

The chest is, as far as I can tell, just a duplicate of the chest you can open for free. And you can clear the regular skirmish in about 6-10 minutes, epic in 10-15 depending on how good your group is. It's not really necessary to buy those keys, unless you just have AD falling from the sky for you.

Those keys basically cost you 30k AD a pop. If you can make more than 30k AD in 6-15 minutes, then go for it. Otherwise, just run the skirmish again.

frishter

ironzerg79 wrote: »

No, because they need to pay the bills somehow.

Yep they certainly don't make enough from gambling with lockboxes, they want us to gamble for our loot too. Most likely losing the AD invested. What did they do to entice us more into using the keys? Pretty much remove boss drops... Yeah, I feel so bad for Cryptic trying to make a living and not restricting us in any way.

adinosii

Well, as far as the "low end" loot is concerned, the chests are certainly equal. You get the same enchants, armor and accessory pieces from both. The only question is really regarding the artifacts, books and dragon gems. Do they also drop from the "free" chest? If they do, then it makes no sense to open the special chest in the skirmish....dungeon maybe.

ironzerg79

I've gotten all three of my Dragon Gems from the regular chest.

adinosii

ironzerg79 wrote: »

I've gotten all three of my Dragon Gems from the regular chest.

Good to know. Unfortunately I just didn't remember where I got mine from. Then it boils down to the artifacts and books. I have heard of them as boss drops or as drops from the special chests - has anyone gotten them from the "free" chests?

harkur

frishter wrote: »

Yep they certainly don't make enough from gambling with lockboxes, they want us to gamble for our loot too. Most likely losing the AD invested. What did they do to entice us more into using the keys? Pretty much remove boss drops... Yeah, I feel so bad for Cryptic trying to make a living and not restricting us in any way.

While I agree with the sentiment I think you have the wrong target. Aim at PW instead, they are the ones making the decisions around the structure of the various cash grabs, not Cryptic.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

frishter

harkur wrote: »

While I agree with the sentiment I think you have the wrong target. Aim at PW instead, they are the ones making the decisions around the structure of the various cash grabs, not Cryptic.

Habit of seeing Cryptic being the face of it. Though they're both very imperfect. Though I assume it's cryptics fault for that BoP nonsense that makes it not worth it. Though I guess I don't know exactly how much of a role PW has with everything. I'm used to publishers taking a more passive role.

orangefiree

vasdamas wrote: »

You can't open the chest with DD right? >.>


I won't say how outrageous it is as I have seen thing much worse.

I haven't done the dungeon, but I'm guessing it works like the skirmish which has two chests, one for the special key and one that can always be opened, and probably is instead opened by dungeon chest keys or DD event in the dungeon.

They both give the exact same stuff from what I've seen.

calvin1tag

For people like myself that have more "money then time" I like the idea of 2 chances for the big items with out running it twice. Great Idea just another pay for convenience idea that caters to folks like myself I see no issue with this at all.

petestarks

With the chests seeming to be the same for most people I do not see how this satisfies the more money than time issue. I bought some keys just to be prepared and all I have seen so far is both chests giving me a rank 5 enchantment and 1 identify scroll... not very impressed.

damnataanimus

petestarks wrote: »

With the chests seeming to be the same for most people I do not see how this satisfies the more money than time issue. I bought some keys just to be prepared and all I have seen so far is both chests giving me a rank 5 enchantment and 1 identify scroll... not very impressed.

Exactly and this is what I mean. They basically make the drop rates so low that some people (and I am one of those people they are aiming this at but I wont bother seeing as I have both money and time) will do it just to have another chance however small at getting the item they want. I'd prefer it if the keys cost a lot more, say 10 - 25$ but had a much higher chance of getting something good. Yes the keys are cheap but again your chance of getting anything good is very low (and yes I am sure some people will chime in with but I got x after x runs - good for you. RNG is by its definition, and the name itself random).

frishter

damnataanimus wrote: »

Exactly and this is what I mean. They basically make the drop rates so low that some people (and I am one of those people they are aiming this at but I wont bother seeing as I have both money and time) will do it just to have another chance however small at getting the item they want. I'd prefer it if the keys cost a lot more, say 10 - 25$ but had a much higher chance of getting something good. Yes the keys are cheap but again your chance of getting anything good is very low (and yes I am sure some people will chime in with but I got x after x runs - good for you. RNG is by its definition, and the name itself random).

For $10-25 I'd better be guaranteed a freaking con belt.

petestarks

frishter if you want to get sad just do the math on the con belt. It was selling for ~10mill AD which is 20,000 zen or $200 USD... I really doubt you would ever get a guarantee like that when they were/are selling for the equivalent of $100-$200.


Back on topic I would really hope they change the chest's loot table to offer SOMETHING extra for that key's value? Maybe throw in 2 scrolls of identification instead of just 1, a white pearl? Something? :P

damnataanimus

frishter wrote: »

For $10-25 I'd better be guaranteed a freaking con belt.

Considering the current price for a con belt I would say no. Maybe if the key was around 100$ - but then youd get pay to win arguments. But, give it a good chance 50% would seem reasonable maybe a little high though as if it is too high you then run the risk of completely devaluing the belts anyway. If it was 100% chance that would be a very cheap belt lol

To the previous post - was never suggesting 100% drop rate myself just a much higher chance. As for the price of con belts - a week ago they were 8mill now, 6.5 - so they are dropping pretty fast, its really just a question of where the market will settle or if it will be a race the bottom.

And FYI guys - the current price for a con belt is about 170 usd if you covert zen to AD at the 500 to 1 zax rate.

frishter

petestarks wrote: »

frishter if you want to get sad just do the math on the con belt. It was selling for ~10mill AD which is 20,000 zen or $200 USD... I really doubt you would ever get a guarantee like that when they were/are selling for the equivalent of $100-$200.


Back on topic I would really hope they change the chest's loot table to offer SOMETHING extra for that key's value? Maybe throw in 2 scrolls of identification instead of just 1, a white pearl? Something? :P

Which is why I'd never spend money on AD, and limit my spending on zen. Prices are so far out of whack it's unbelievable. I wasn't really expecting them to do anything like that. But let's be honest at the $10-$25 price suggested, we're talking about a reasonably high price for a chance to get a single virtual item. Not really what I'd call value for money. The same argument goes to lockboxes and boosters though unless you're one of the lucky few.

Personally I prefer giving my money to companies delivering actual value to the customer. Failing that, having high quality comes a close 2nd. Ie not taking weeks to do something about DD chests (kind of important, not ignoring other issues, not leaving overflowing currency for so long, not slowly forcing the cash shop on us while initially making the new refinement system look better for us, not cutting off progress and a desire to keep playing with bop, not keeping in misleading tooltips... well you get the picture.

Anyway prices will drop. They're new, desirable and in limited quantity.

damnataanimus

frishter wrote: »

Anyway prices will drop. They're new, desirable and in limited quantity.

Sorry but I had to comment on this xD That is pretty obvious to anyone with a brain, early adopters have always paid a premium for being the first to get something. As for prices that is commonly known as supply and demand and I'm pretty sure I said prices had dropped 1.5mill in the last week alone.

petestarks

You will get no debate from me that these prices are utter madness for some pixels that fit inside other pixels in a virtual world.

itsbrent23

revjimjones wrote: »

decline the chest next time and save your Key

Can u confirm if u get difffernet chances each time u decline? like if u decline the first time and open again will u get the same loot, or will you have a chance at other stuff.

petestarks

I have seen the same identify scroll and enchantment in that "bonus" chest every single time. I just ran the normal version 3 times with pugs pulling the purple orb and my dragon gem all from the free chest. At this point those 5 keys I bought from the zen store will just be collecting dust because the good stuff is in that free chest. My advice is forget the stupid key and just keep running the normal version to get your gem.

abecassis

80 ZEN Key from EPIC skrimrish: Only rank 5 enchants. Not a SINGLE epic or belt. Im not sure if this is a bug or anything. But im for sure not buying any more

magiquepurse

The epic chest is IDENTICAL (in chances) to normal one. Can easily tell you that after about 40 runs yesterday, both dungeon and skirmish. You might get goot stuff in it, but don't expect it to have a higher drop chance than in the normal chest.

You basically pay Zen for a double chance at loot.