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My opinion on Legendary dragon keys/Arcane keys and the Dragon Arcane coffer

kushilungsskushilungss Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 9
edited October 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
Now I may sound like I'm ranting but I just wanted to let others know the Legendary Dragon keys are a waste of zen. Now I may be on the backhand of RNG but of the 50 keys I have used in the Epic Lair of Lostmauth's dungeon Dragon Arcane coffer I have received nothing but what you would normally receive in the standard chest.About 30 runs in I started to decline what the coffer had and used a key now and then in case I was messing with the loot table.I have 6 keys left and yet to see any dragon gems/belts/artefacts ( I got a dragon gem from the standard chest).I saw more glyphs in the standard chest over the arcane coffer! Bottom line is don't expect much-thinking you have a upper hand with these zen keys, but then again RNG will always be RNG.

Anyone else with similar results? yes they will be those lucky few that got a amazing X pull within X runs but averagely?
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  • zshikarazshikara Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Has anyone tried using the new keys in the dungeon yet? I imagine the dungeon would have a better loot table than the skirmish does.
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  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    zshikara wrote: »
    Has anyone tried using the new keys in the dungeon yet? I imagine the dungeon would have a better loot table than the skirmish does.

    If you open the campaign window and hold your cursor over the various keys a list of potential loot comes up , I don't think the extra keys are supposed to give you a better chance at anything in a similar way as the Star metal gauntlets in the Dread ring didn't , they just give you the chance to have a second try .
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  • kushilungsskushilungss Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 9
    edited September 2014
    zshikara wrote: »
    Has anyone tried using the new keys in the dungeon yet? I imagine the dungeon would have a better loot table than the skirmish does.

    What do you think my topic is about lol
  • zshikarazshikara Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    kushilungss wrote: »
    What do you think my topic is about lol

    I thought lair of lostmauth was the skirmish. My mistake.
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  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I have done both the skirmish (normal and epic) and the dungeon (only epic), and have bought keys.

    My experience has been that I get the same quality of drops from both chests, and as far as the skirmish is concerned, I see no need to spend keys on that one - I can open one "free" chest each run, and that's enough. As far as the Dungeon is concerned, the same applies during DD hour - if you are in a competent group that does not wipe, you can easily do several runs during the DD hour. However, the dungeon is a bit harder than the skirmish, and there is a chance of a wipe during the second half of the last boss fight, so when you finish, it might be worthwhile to open both chests, just to double your chances.

    However....

    I have not seen an artifact belt drop, and there might be a chance the "free" and "special" chests are not identical - maybe, just maybe, the artifact only drops from the special one.

    For now I am not going to bother with the keys.
    Hoping for improvements...
  • jaydenomega812jaydenomega812 Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So...I stumbled across this thread looking for information on statistics of artifact belt drops seem logic to bump this topic and get it talked about some more....

    I haven't bought any of the legendary keys that are available from the zen market but I do keep a mystic key in my inventory and regularly check the arcane coffer (special chest) at the end of the shores of tuern skirmish. Makes no sense to use it when you have to defeat all dragons in all areas and can only do so once a day to get another key so I frequently decline the loot cause I'm hunting for an artifact belt. Not yet have I come across an artifact belt and everyone I see that has one I ask how they got it and they say they bought it from the astral diamond exchange. I have ran this skirmish quite often too looking for the belt cause I would like to have it. Is it likely I'll be getting it.....well seems that at some point in running this skirmish about 20 times a day for a week now I would have gotten at least one of the belts but I haven't. The loot has changed from time to time even though I've been declining to accept it from the special chest and only accepted what I got from the free chest. Too, I will say this...I did just run the skirmish a few times and one of those times at the end of it right as I was running to open chests my game crashed. I can't help but wonder if perhaps that was the one in a million time that I was going to get an artifact belt. Also, worth mentioning I've only been running shores of tuern on epic.

    It has occured to me.....These artifact belts are not such great prizes seeing as how more refining must be done to make them something anyway not to mention all the effort it took into unlocking the campaign to the point to unlock the skirmish to try and get it. But, I would still like to have a specific one. Is it ever going to happen? I couldn't imagine that buying a special key from the zen market would make my chances any better at least if it did it would be a crappy way in my opinion to get players better geared since the game has taken a new direction where better gear is necessary to keep up.
  • onecoolscatcatonecoolscatcat Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Dragon Keys are an excellent value IMO.

    True, standard chests and dragon coffers seemingly use identical loot tables, but since you can decline crappy rewards Dragon Keys GUARANTEE a good drop. RNG sucks. Hard. Your chances of getting anything decent are slim to none, but dragon keys double your chances at zero risk or loss to yourself. One key= one desired drop. I call that win.
  • carrytiexcarrytiex Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    onecoolscatcat wrote: »
    Dragon Keys are an excellent value IMO.

    True, standard chests and dragon coffers seemingly use identical loot tables, but since you can decline crappy rewards Dragon Keys GUARANTEE a good drop. RNG sucks. Hard. Your chances of getting anything decent are slim to none, but dragon keys double your chances at zero risk or loss to yourself. One key= one desired drop. I call that win.

    Too bad that it's unlikely that was the design intent.
  • onecoolscatcatonecoolscatcat Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    carrytiex wrote: »
    Too bad that it's unlikely that was the design intent.

    I disagree. I believe Dragon Keys are WAI. If they weren't we'd have seen an IMMEDIATE fix.

    Let's face it, if a 30k AD dragon key gave you one crappy scroll and single rank 5 enchant no one would ever buy them. Heck, at that point even enchanted keys give better returns. At least with them you only lose on average ~20% on your AD investment after day one for new lockboxes.
  • jaydenomega812jaydenomega812 Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    onecoolscatcat wrote: »
    Dragon Keys are an excellent value IMO.

    True, standard chests and dragon coffers seemingly use identical loot tables, but since you can decline crappy rewards Dragon Keys GUARANTEE a good drop. RNG sucks. Hard. Your chances of getting anything decent are slim to none, but dragon keys double your chances at zero risk or loss to yourself. One key= one desired drop. I call that win.

    I suppose I'll count my blessings that I don't have to actually use the key in order to preview what I would get from the chest, but what I would get from the chest in my experience is not worth using the key. I'll use the key for the 4th boon book or an artifact belt especially if that artifact belt is unbound (which I highly doubt but given I haven't come across one yet I don't know) or the one I would like to have. But, it still stands that the special chest (arcane coffer as referred to in this thread topic) is not worth jack. Why even bother getting a mystic key from the campaign when your just going to hold on to it for maybe weeks...months...not sure yet....waiting to get a drop worth using it for. And apparently the legendary keys you buy from zen store aren't any better. Again I say the artifact belts aren't that great a treasure since you have to refine them to make them worth something not to mention you'll probably have to change other equipment on your character to accommodate the belt's lack of offense/defense slot till legendary. Furthermore...the 4th boon would be nice to have but uhhhh 100 sigils, 100 secrets...no thanks. I was already seriously ready to smash my computer into some redcaps, and thayans for having to do those dailies so many times in order to get those boons unlocked so I'm not feeling up to doing the same with dragons that fly in on there time and not mine causing it to take even longer. I have yet to complete the icewind dale stuff as well cause quite frankly I'm sick of doing dailies and would rather just play to have fun.
  • cayappcayapp Member Posts: 826 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Just gonna point out that the belts will become rarer then they already already are due to less and less people running the things that drop them, as well as eventually no more tyrannical lock boxes eventually other then what people have saved up.

    Love my legendary belt though.
  • jaydenomega812jaydenomega812 Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    cayapp wrote: »
    Just gonna point out that the belts will become rarer then they already already are due to less and less people running the things that drop them, as well as eventually no more tyrannical lock boxes eventually other then what people have saved up.

    Love my legendary belt though.

    Sadly I believe you may be right on that one. Just can't help but wonder why no one wants to run the stupidly op skirmish and dungeon that has a 'chance' to drop them in the chests. Perhaps it's because they never do. All that effort spent in playing perfectly...cause you have to otherwise you insta-killed....only to get an enchantment and maybe if you lucky the most valued piece of the puzzle that is the dragonforged artifact weapon being the dragon gem. New content bringing new potential for fun leaves you let down on failure to meet expectations. *CLAP CLAP* bravo
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    I think the saving grace is that you can refuse the loot and save the key. That in itself makes it so that having the key is always a good thing.

    I'm still not sure if that is working as intended. If they remove that bug/feature, then I am behind you that the zenstore and even the regular keys are a big waste of your money and effort respectively.
  • letojarred1letojarred1 Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    jaydenomega812 wrote: »
    Sadly I believe you may be right on that one. Just can't help but wonder why no one wants to run the stupidly op skirmish and dungeon that has a 'chance' to drop them in the chests. Perhaps it's because they never do. All that effort spent in playing perfectly...cause you have to otherwise you insta-killed....only to get an enchantment and maybe if you lucky the most valued piece of the puzzle that is the dragonforged artifact weapon being the dragon gem. New content bringing new potential for fun leaves you let down on failure to meet expectations. *CLAP CLAP* bravo

    Why run something that has less than 1% chance of getting?
    In 200x run even if u get 1 the time and effort is not worth it.
    I'd rather run CN with guildies every run is worth 50-100k (SS) in less than 25mins
    now 50-100kx200 = just buy the darn belt!
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  • tigillotigillo Member Posts: 44
    edited October 2014
    Im finish dungon ~500times:

    Once see belt drop from dragon. 5 person greed, than i got zero.

    Normal chest: 5gems.
    Arcane chest: 5gems - buged accept with "arcane key" made in campagn. Get other rings no gems. All know this bug !
    Arcane Chest: 0belts, 0artefacts, 0books.

    500runs, very cool dungon, buahaha.

    Since a few deys i dont do this dungon becuse this is waste of time.
  • str8slayerstr8slayer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 715 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Yeah the desired belts will be 10-20m+ by the time mod 6 rolls around, anybody who doesn't have em now will be paying OUT-THE-A$$ for them later.

    This means I will never have or use even one, ever :/. The whole artifact equipment thing ticks me off because it gets cryptic off the hook for making new gear because anybody with half a brain won't want any new gear. This is their permanent gear solution it seems and EVERY slot in your inventory will require 5-10m RP to BIS before you realize what's going on...
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  • masizin777masizin777 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    They are a waste of Zen until they fix the temporary client to client that is causes you not to get the items you see. There is no program transparency you only get what a part system thinks you should gets not what the entire system says you should.
  • clericalistclericalist Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Regarding the belts and their future value, surely if they are going to skyrocket in price then there will be people farming them.
  • carrytiexcarrytiex Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    str8slayer wrote: »
    Yeah the desired belts will be 10-20m+ by the time mod 6 rolls around, anybody who doesn't have em now will be paying OUT-THE-A$$ for them later.

    Doubt it, they'll continue to be in supply. They were about 10m for the most expensive belts due to high demand for them, now that those people have them already less people will be able to afford them and hence they have dropped. They'll continue to be available from lockboxes and they'll still be some people doing existing content. Especially if they want boon #7
  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    clericalist wrote: »
    Regarding the belts and their future value, surely if they are going to skyrocket in price then there will be people farming them.

    Then again, people might not want those belts, with the new artifact sets coming out (1 normal artifact, one artifact belt and one artifact cloak). some of those set bonuses are really nice - so perhaps the stat-boosting belts will nit be BiS for long.
    Hoping for improvements...
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