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Toughen up the Dragons, daily timer them, and hardcap the zones, like now
harkur
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Should have been done when they were released, but seriously it needs fixing badly.
If rofldragonstomp by a dragonzerg, in quite literally 10 seconds, repeatable every couple of minutes, was intended then the intention was misguided. For "misguided" there are any number of words denoting a lack of foresight that could be substituted.
They are dragons, ffs. What's happening trvilializes them beyond belief, and regardless of the whining "But what about the people who already got their XXXXX? They're ahead of me nooooooooooooooooooooooooowwww!" it should be dealt with. These should be tough fights where characters die and that are not over in a blaze of "Unholy Blade of Insta-gib crits dragon for 5 million wtfpwn damage" melting. No matter how well geared the people facing it are.
I am reminded of a P&P game years ago, comprised of five seriously high level characters. There was a dragon encounter, and a 20 was rolled by the fighter, with a two hander. Wonder of wonders he 00'd the 100 and the table says 'beheaded'. There was silence, followed by a whoop and a "Yeah! I beheaded that sucker!!!"
The DM let him get it all out, then quietly said "No, no you did not. It's a (*&^!!ing dragon. It's hurt, badly, and not dead. Oh, it's now enraged."
Come on guys, fix this.
If rofldragonstomp by a dragonzerg, in quite literally 10 seconds, repeatable every couple of minutes, was intended then the intention was misguided. For "misguided" there are any number of words denoting a lack of foresight that could be substituted.
They are dragons, ffs. What's happening trvilializes them beyond belief, and regardless of the whining "But what about the people who already got their XXXXX? They're ahead of me nooooooooooooooooooooooooowwww!" it should be dealt with. These should be tough fights where characters die and that are not over in a blaze of "Unholy Blade of Insta-gib crits dragon for 5 million wtfpwn damage" melting. No matter how well geared the people facing it are.
I am reminded of a P&P game years ago, comprised of five seriously high level characters. There was a dragon encounter, and a 20 was rolled by the fighter, with a two hander. Wonder of wonders he 00'd the 100 and the table says 'beheaded'. There was silence, followed by a whoop and a "Yeah! I beheaded that sucker!!!"
The DM let him get it all out, then quietly said "No, no you did not. It's a (*&^!!ing dragon. It's hurt, badly, and not dead. Oh, it's now enraged."
Come on guys, fix this.
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Put a limit of 15 players max in an instance and this problem goes away.
I'm not sure where the solution in this lies, but it's not quite as simple as just boost them up. I think something in the scaling engine needs to be adjusted to scale with character level and number of players nearby perhaps.
Just gonna see if the new dungeon is challenging and profitable. If not, its back to merching hoping ther release organized raids in module 5 or 6
For me that's a huge part of the problem. Unless you're a demi-god that simply should not be possible, no matter what.
Indeed....this is a real issue in the Whispering Caverns in particular, where the poor dragon just does not stand a chance, being attacked by 40 players. A per-instance limit of 20 would be great - a limit of 15 even better.
That would mean that for most people come module 5 the ToD campaign wouldn't be completable. That would be a massive issue long term. Dragons dropping too fast is a short term problem in terms of mmo design. If this was a pnp campaign I'd agree with you. However this is an mmo based on a pnp setting. This is one of the things that has to change for it to work.
Yesterday there were eleven instances open in the Whispering caverns with everybody channel hopping and a good few times the crowd missed a channel where a dragon spawned so it ended up with about 10 - 15 of us and it was a lot better than it is with 40 odd people there , no lag or slowdown and even though the dragon died fairly easily it took a lot longer to go down and actually had a chance to get its handy floor attack off a few times lol , a hardcap of 15 to 20 per instance with no cross channel invites once cap is reached would be perfect , then again now people are unlocking the skirmish and dungeon I think the huge zergfests might ease off a little , I know I prefer to run the skirmish instead of waiting endlessly for dragons to spawn then getting stuck in a slideshow due to 40 dailies being spammed all at once.
Everyhing that described in the title - full support, would sign up the petition if there was one.
WTB Class Reroll please
Have to agree with your first part, but not your second. These heroic encounters are in leveling quest zones and as such if you limit it to 15 per zone you're going to end up with zones that don't have enough people showing up to fight. As bad as the 10 second zergs are I can tell you from personal experience that the encounters where you don't have enough people or enough DPS to overcome the dragon's natural health regen are even worse.
Well, then maybe 20 people per instance.
But not 40+.
Really! Like in rothe valley yesterday - one player DR...other bad words from his nick... gathered over 40 people on one instance. with 20 limit btw - just by invites. You literally could not not get to dragon. One shot - dragon is dead already
Even with recommended 6-10 player you have low drop chances. I got fashion and dragonbone weapons doing epic loot - basically solo on dragon. got bracers with 5 players on dragon. All this after 50+ Great success and around 5-10 epic loots.
If you have zergs party - forget about any good loot forever.
Also dragons are week. Since damage scales to players level you can not get hard dragons - at list first 4 of them i faced both on SW 35 lvl and HR 60.
Dragons must be harded. Even for MMO! its is becoming more and more casual and 2button like game
Limit for instance or limit on dragon must be made. Otherwise dragon is bitten like a kitten
Well we are 60. 60 is roughly the equivient of lvl 20 in regular D&D, and the boons simulate epic lvls. Epic lvl toon can easily take out huge sized dragons. EASY. Even gargantuan and collassal ones should be possible.
This thread sounds like it was created by someone ignorant of actual D&D,
lolnothxno
They've managed to make killing dragons routine and boring. GRATZ! :P
YES!
Would pay to see a 40 man zergteam all on their hands and knees, while the zone chat instantly filled with QQ and rage. It would be glorious.
Thank you for the beautiful mental image. It is unlikely to happen, but boy would that be fun!
Fail, not possible. There's a hard cap where you cannot enter even if invited. It's 30 at most, no where can you get 50 or 60 in one instance.
That said, encounters are designed for 6-10, not 30 15kGS+ player zergs.
There is a hard cap, it just needs to be lower. MUCH lower. and beef the dragon's Aoe. It should have UNRESISTALBE aoe that does about 20k dmg, that will keep out all the LEECHERS. I have literally seen level 25 players hanging around dragons. WHY they put them in noobie zones IDFK... totally lazy.
Maybe the best solution is to simply get rid of the Great Success idea and make it simple RNG - you participate in the fight, you have the same chance at the artifact as anyone else who did, pure RNG (as horrible as the RNG here is).
Wrong. People play less icewind dale (but it's really far from being the wasteland you claim it is) because it has litteraly zero replay value. Nothing you can sell, only crappy consumables and **** gear with bad stats you need to pay real money to use... IMO that expansion was mostly a waste of good dev time. On the other hand, the dread ring and sharandar zones have a lot of replay value. There are often many zones open proving my point; you can get enchants or stuff you need to feed the monsters called "artifacts" and it's not hidden behind stupid mobs you spend ages to kill because somehow someone thought challenging solo content would be fun. But it's not. IWD content is a waste of time. A fun challenge is a group one. Hopefully that's what the new dungeon will be and I can't wait to see that.
Back on topic, well, the devs have refused to add content for 14k+ GS player so far even though we have some 20k GS characters around now. That's the real issue, not the poor dragons getting smashed in the face in under 10s. The first months, up to module 1, were the best. Dungeons were still a challenge, players who could just smash buttons mindlessly ignoring what a build, gear, stats, or even the basic "don't stand in red moron" were rightfully wrecked, and selling gear to make some virtual money was still an option. Now all this is gone and we get bosses that don't even deserve this title.
Sadly that would kill the idea that devs had with it (idea was pretty good until first zerg destroyed dragon in less than 10 seconds), to make players cooperate with each other in order to kill mighty beast... nec hercules contra plures I say.
One option would be to scale dragon power with number of players in the area (however that could be easily exploited if scaling wouldn't be changing with players numbers attacking the dragon).
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Well the purpose was probably to cut corners adding some flat space with a couple of props around not to have to redesign completely new maps while giving a feeling of novelty to older players. That's fine, devs and artists time isn't free.
But there's one major elements devs didn't take into account while designing the levelless NPCs: there are more differences between a 6k GS lvl 60 character and a 18k GS lvl 60 character than between a lvl 45 and a lvl 60 character. IMO the levelless npcs wasn't such a great idea because of that but if they scale content according to GS instead of level it defeats the purpose of increasing your GS. Which is why it sucks, because there's no easy or orbious solution, they might introduce some GS to balance everything but it won't solve anything on the long run and levelless stuff will likely remain a lousy experience for everyone.
So the best and logical solution would be not to add again some of this levelless content except for events because events are different from normal content. Yet we're only seeing additions to the game at an extremely slow rate.
Funnily enough the real amount of new content has been rather thin with module 3 and 4. They recycled a lot of old stuff. Which leads me to 3 possible explanations:
- they laid off a lot of people and can't make meaningful new content anymore (a lot of devs we heared about during the closed beta disappeared after all). We're going to be stuck with levelless <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> for quite some time, until PWE decides the ROI is high enough to allocate more manpower to neverwinter.
- their game engine is very old and it takes weeks to do something simple you'd do in about 5s with a state of the art and up to date game engine. The thing could use a complete overhaul but it won't happen and the game will forever suffer from the lack of content no matter how profitable it is. Then we're stuck with this levelless <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> forever
- cryptic is secretely making 15 awesome raids with a lot of new maps and props for module 5 or 6. Somehow it sounds like the most exciting option but it's also the less likely one.
All I hope is that we see new content for players with a lot of GS hanging around instead of making everything around the improbable newcomer who'd like to experience everything during his first week and could farm all of the campaigns every day for 5h.
Off-topic but I'd be surprised if IWD isn't expanded upon in the future with more zones. It doesn't make sense to me that they'd make a map the size it is with only three zones. Of course there's plenty else in this game that doesn't make sense to me so... Whether or not further expansion makes it any better or replayable is unknown.