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skylher12skylher12 Member Posts: 97 Arc User
edited September 2014 in The Thieves' Den
I use profound mainly because the black ice gear doesnt have crit strike on it, and as a combat tr that plain sucks. when i use my black ice gear in domination there is a huge drop off imho,, what do you all think
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  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I mainly use Black Ice for its overload slots, and Profound for its set bonus. Not much a question of stats here, just put 4x greater critical armor reinforcement kits on them.
  • yoadoadyoadoad Member Posts: 182 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    For a casual TR, the profound set is better. It gives you stats that you can work with (Power, Critical Strike, AP, bonus stealth)
    For the High-End TR, Black Ice is probably better. By High-End I mean guys who have so much AP and Critical strike from their non-armor items (Boons/Artifacts/Enchantments/Companions etc) that increasing them further doesn't add as much. In that case it does make sense to go Black Ice.
  • pandora1xpandora1x Member Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Black Ice is terrible. Maybe it won't be when the TR gets buffed and won't have to rely on Stealth *that* much anymore.

    For now go Profound 100%.
  • nezyrworksnezyrworks Member Posts: 75
    edited September 2014
    skylher12 wrote: »
    I use profound mainly because the black ice gear doesnt have crit strike on it, and as a combat tr that plain sucks. when i use my black ice gear in domination there is a huge drop off imho,, what do you all think

    As Rust said. Once you will get specific overloads you will not want to retire the set. For combat TR CBI is bis. Get more crit from kits/companion. You can offset the lack of crit also with artifact and passive skills.
    pandora1x wrote: »
    Black Ice is terrible. Maybe it won't be when the TR gets buffed and won't have to rely on Stealth *that* much anymore.

    For now go Profound 100%.

    I value your contribution to the TR community, but you are advocating only one sided medal.

    Profound is bis ONLY for perma whisperknife/mi. Other than that it's much weaker to black ice due to lack of Overload slots (this advantage is so huge you would not believe).

    Using specific build is very subjective. You play WK perma while someone can play successfully a semiperma AP build, or reflect TR. For the two later Black Ice is BIS due to the advantage in damage and/or survivability generated by overload slots.
  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    nezyrworks wrote: »
    ~

    I bet not a lot of people have caught wind of these yet...

    o05pwp.jpg

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?712391-New-Shimmering-Marks&highlight=shimmering+mark

    They're OP, I know I know~ it's gotta get nerfed a little notch. But still, Black Ice gear is a wonder in its potential.
  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Black ice gear is indeed powerful equipment when enhanced. Getting the individual pieces takes a bit of daily grinding. The bad thing is that there is so much time (and sometimes cost) involved to get the equipment upgraded and to fill the overload slots. Most casual players won't have the time to go this route.
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    myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
    pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
    looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Oh yeah, casuals, no definitely. I would know. And I should say the biggest downside in having full Black Ice set is not the grind, but the upkeep. If you carelessly PvE with these, specially the overloads, you're gonna run out of battery sooner rather than later.
  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    rustlord wrote: »
    Oh yeah, casuals, no definitely. I would know. And I should say the biggest downside in having full Black Ice set is not the grind, but the upkeep. If you carelessly PvE with these, specially the overloads, you're gonna run out of battery sooner rather than later.

    Yes, that, too! :)
    SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! SEC! (repeat indefinitely)


    myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
    pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
    looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
  • nezyrworksnezyrworks Member Posts: 75
    edited September 2014
    rustlord wrote: »
    Oh yeah, casuals, no definitely. I would know. And I should say the biggest downside in having full Black Ice set is not the grind, but the upkeep. If you carelessly PvE with these, specially the overloads, you're gonna run out of battery sooner rather than later.

    It takes either a purple mining pick or green boosts (purple pick is much more effective on the longer run). One 20 minute visit in PVP zone gives you about 5k black ice. But yea, you have to invest in it about 500k AD.

    Other than that you will probably need Dragon glyphs or will go for cheaper Black Ice solution (altrough my thought is that currently Glyphs are BIS for an average player, and no - im not speaking about blue ones).'

    The lifesteal ones are OP indeed. Haven't had a chance to lay my hands on them yet, but i am eagerly awaiting that moment.

    BTW i am running both sets - Corrupted and Purified for different PVP occasions (i do have a non black ice pve set for dailies, due to the quick glyph being only 2h item).
  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Swapping only the Gloves and Mask with two pieces Profound set makes my dailies go faster. Gets me +463 crit and doesn't waste away my overloads. Oh, and I'm using Greater Blue Dragon Glyphs post-nerf. It's still decent. Even it now has a 1 sec ICD the reflect is still good. It just really makes sense with my playstyle.
  • mxtimemxtime Member Posts: 316 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    rustlord wrote: »
    I bet not a lot of people have caught wind of these yet...

    o05pwp.jpg

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?712391-New-Shimmering-Marks&highlight=shimmering+mark

    They're OP, I know I know~ it's gotta get nerfed a little notch. But still, Black Ice gear is a wonder in its potential.

    but its better for any class then for tr
    coz tr lack most basic stat and that is stealth
  • nezyrworksnezyrworks Member Posts: 75
    edited September 2014
    rustlord wrote: »
    Swapping only the Gloves and Mask with two pieces Profound set makes my dailies go faster. Gets me +463 crit and doesn't waste away my overloads. Oh, and I'm using Greater Blue Dragon Glyphs post-nerf. It's still decent. Even it now has a 1 sec ICD the reflect is still good. It just really makes sense with my playstyle.

    In the end went with more flexible rounded AP build. I love the synergy between Impact shot, Invisible Infiltratior, bloodbath and Shadow strike. This eliminates the need of TC. Swaping CBI and PBI as needed.
  • yoadoadyoadoad Member Posts: 182 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    rustlord wrote: »
    I bet not a lot of people have caught wind of these yet...

    o05pwp.jpg

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?712391-New-Shimmering-Marks&highlight=shimmering+mark

    They're OP, I know I know~ it's gotta get nerfed a little notch. But still, Black Ice gear is a wonder in its potential.
    Is this for real?! O_O
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