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This thread is created to discuss what the leaderboard has done to this game. Do not discuss players/guilds in this thread. Its more about what pros and cons there are having a leaderboard and how it has affected the game. I'm also adding a poll so that we can get a clear result.
To clarify: I'm not asking to remove ELO altogether, just the visible leaderboard.
I can also add that I am a CW with 97-2 wins/losses so far so this thread is not because I suck on the leaderboard, because I don't.
My thoughts:
The leaderboard was something I looked forward too before it came. I sounded like something really fun and would turn PvP into something better and we could all see who the best players are in this game.
The sad thing is that I think that the leaderboard destroyed the PvP in several ways.
1. Players are so afraid to have a loss black on white so the leaderboard is making players run troll-comps just to look like winners. Players also avoid playing with other players because they afraid of losing. This has a huge negative affect on the PvP gameplay.
2. The results are not actually real. You can do stuff like dual Q, run troll comps, avoid losses (devs working on it), play selfishly, stay in spawn etc. All these things are corrupting the results of the leaderboard and whats the point then with a leaderboard? Also BiS players with enough AD to buy all potions etc to boost themselves is also corrupting the results a bit.
3. Before leaderboard we could do 1on1s, practice etc without thinking of losing or getting deaths etc. This affected the PvP experience negatively because the players avoid that now.
4. The leaderboards creates so much drama. Everyone is fighting over who is the best and who is doing fishy stuff to climb the board. There is so much more trashtalk and fighting nowadays.
5. FotM (Favour of the Moth) has become more frequent. 3xCWs, 3xHRs, 3xGWFs, everything to win the match. This also adds more elitism to the game because players that want to climb the boards avoids playing with less good/geared players simply because they don't want to lose when everybody can see the results. Also players with builds that is not seen as the best is being avoided.
6. Leaderboards makes people to avoid solo Q and would rather sit and do nothing than try to play with pugs and lose.
Basically I think the PvP was more fun before leaderboards was introduced. I know the devs worked hard on making it but I have to ask, is it really worth keeping it when its making the game worse? My vote is on removing it completely. What do you think?
I also know a solution would be to have two queues for PvP, but that will also contribute to PvP to be more inactive because the players will be divided up in two Q queues and it will be harder to get matches etc and I rather see them remove the board. They can still keep ELO for match-ups.
To clarify: I'm not asking to remove ELO altogether, just the visible leaderboard.
I can also add that I am a CW with 97-2 wins/losses so far so this thread is not because I suck on the leaderboard, because I don't.
My thoughts:
The leaderboard was something I looked forward too before it came. I sounded like something really fun and would turn PvP into something better and we could all see who the best players are in this game.
The sad thing is that I think that the leaderboard destroyed the PvP in several ways.
1. Players are so afraid to have a loss black on white so the leaderboard is making players run troll-comps just to look like winners. Players also avoid playing with other players because they afraid of losing. This has a huge negative affect on the PvP gameplay.
2. The results are not actually real. You can do stuff like dual Q, run troll comps, avoid losses (devs working on it), play selfishly, stay in spawn etc. All these things are corrupting the results of the leaderboard and whats the point then with a leaderboard? Also BiS players with enough AD to buy all potions etc to boost themselves is also corrupting the results a bit.
3. Before leaderboard we could do 1on1s, practice etc without thinking of losing or getting deaths etc. This affected the PvP experience negatively because the players avoid that now.
4. The leaderboards creates so much drama. Everyone is fighting over who is the best and who is doing fishy stuff to climb the board. There is so much more trashtalk and fighting nowadays.
5. FotM (Favour of the Moth) has become more frequent. 3xCWs, 3xHRs, 3xGWFs, everything to win the match. This also adds more elitism to the game because players that want to climb the boards avoids playing with less good/geared players simply because they don't want to lose when everybody can see the results. Also players with builds that is not seen as the best is being avoided.
6. Leaderboards makes people to avoid solo Q and would rather sit and do nothing than try to play with pugs and lose.
Basically I think the PvP was more fun before leaderboards was introduced. I know the devs worked hard on making it but I have to ask, is it really worth keeping it when its making the game worse? My vote is on removing it completely. What do you think?
I also know a solution would be to have two queues for PvP, but that will also contribute to PvP to be more inactive because the players will be divided up in two Q queues and it will be harder to get matches etc and I rather see them remove the board. They can still keep ELO for match-ups.
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We asked for that for months but nothing has really happened on that front. But that will also contribute to PvP to be more inactive because the players will be divided up in two Q queues and it will be harder to get matches etc.
Yup and I honestly believe the reason you don't get balanced matches now is that there aren't enough people in the queue. If I'm right, two queues will just make things worse.
After that, perhaps reset it every two months or so, and at the start of a new Mod.
Matchmaking? Sure. Makes it a little easier to organize premades. But don't make the ELO visible.
Remove the leaderboard!
You do.
But for what it is now, its pretty adequate... if people really care so much about their rank and want to run such groups etc then let them. Whatever makes them feel better.
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Do I suck too Mel????
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This.
Sometimes I want to play WITHOUT my 100% invisible stealth build. But that sometimes costs me victory (aka drop on leaderboard) due to ****ty teams. I want to have fun sometimes lol. Not go perma everytime ._.
This! And without a leaderboard, this stuff doesn't matter.
How do you want to measure DCs when their team is running away from them (and the enemies, off-node) and doesn't let you heal them. How do you want to measure support builds? Take the Meatball CW from M3. Who should they support? The GWF on the pony running away from enemies?
This game isn't made to have a leaderboard. It's better without it.
Hell yeah.
P.S.: Doesn't mean I don't.
Yes.
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I've been playing since BETA and my experience is that the whole PvP climate has become worse since the leaderboard. Not just the gameplay itself, but also the trashtalk and the elitism and the avoidance of playing PvP because players don't want to lose.
All the points you listed HAS become worse and more frequent since leaderboard.
- perfected
- fixed
Not removed.
Is it toxic now? Yes, because VERY BAD implementation. But the concept of leaderboard is not toxic in itself.
Fix it and offer unranked/ranked queue/practice mode/pmvspm and so on.
Don't remove it.
I would say that people tend to run because of ranks. If there are no ranks people care less. I can see alot of players stop playing the match and trying to win just because it would keep adding deaths to their score if they do, one loss is better than 20 deaths and a loss.
The trashtalk has increased because people argue over who the best player is and why people are in the top on the boards etc and they also argue over trollcomps and stuff like that and that's mostly because of the leaderboards. People care more because its up there for everyone to see, its more important to defend yourself and your honor, more important to argue why the top is like it is etc why its showing a loss and so on. If the results wasn't showing, people would forget it after the match and move on.
The Disrespect players was the last players in Enemy Team. Tha Street players left Enemy Team before it was "closed down" by Blacksheep. So I would say that Disrespect is former Enemy Team because it was created by the last members in ET and only because Blacksheep kicked us.
Tha streets cant be former ET because ET still existed when Tha streets was created.
I guess we have to agree to disagree. I'm not sure if you even see what I see in-game since you said you stopped PvP.
But the trashtalk and people not leaving spawn isn't the main problem in my first post.
The idea I like is to make ranked only for solo queue. We're ranked individually so rank should only be affected when you queue solo.
No way.
Ranked should be for TEAM ONLY.
You have a team, and you register it. Including substitutes. And then you play that team for rank.
Pug lottery means nothing, sorry. Matchmaking is way too bad to rely on on solo queue.
Not sure there's really enough people that would be willing to form teams and roll troll comps for that to work.
At least with pug lottery, everyone is dealing with the same handicap. And it's fun anyway to try to carry the 7k guys and figure out something for them to do.
The current leaderboard is really buggy and dosent mean anything. People manipulate it like its nothing. As of today, really few people even care about it.
But i do like the idea of having a leaderboard and competing against others. But it dosent work to have a solo "elo-rating" based on group ques. Im assuming the leaderboard is the elo rating of each individual, without any actually numbers shown.
My suggestion to fix this is to have a TEAM Elo Rating. You register a team with up to 10 people and when you form a 5 man party you que against other teams. This way you would get matched up with teams close to your rating and increasing it or decreasing it, depending on how the game went. Not like it is today, only decrease
You could also add another leaderboard for the SOLO players, which is based on solo queing only. This way individual rating would work much better, and you would also have a team rating for those who run with their groups.
(note, they should really add, 2v2 and 3v3 aswell)
TLDR:
Add 2 leaderboards; Solo and Team.
You cant elo rate individually in a team oriented game where you can que with a random amount of people with all different ratings.
1. Class limits. Either force full rainbow or limit so that only two from same class in a team.
2. Only full teams should count on leaderboards. No more dual Qs etc or losing because of random players being put on your team.
3. Option to fully hide from leaderboards, when you un-hide you have to start from 0 or something like that and you can only do it once a month or so.
Rainbow should be enforced in this game. There's a reason top guilds would try to run rainbow comps against each other in organized pmvspm, in an attempt from the players to balance the imbalanced game...
2. You cant have troll comps if they fix 1. It would be 5on5 rainbow and that's all what the leaderboard should be about. I would NEVER EVER Q for leaderboard if it was solo. No teamplay or anything at all. Thats the opposite what I want.
3. Ignore wont really change anything unless you actually talk to them or them with you and I'm guessing you're not talking to them anyway.