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refracted0dawn
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Anyone have any ideas on what the "Coming Soon" Paragon for the Warlock might be, or should be?
We already have three very definitive builds, Fury, Damnation and Temptation.
But the Paragon Path is called Hellbringer, which suggests Fire damage and summoning Devils etc to me.
The powers are a mixed bag of Curses, Lesser Curse bringers, Curse Eaters, Shadow Puppet Summoners and a mix of necrotic and Fire damage.
It seems to me the Hellbringer should be more to do with Fire damage and a second Paragon more to do with necrotic damage.
So maybe a second Paragon could be more of a Necromancer, maybe a Deathbringer?
Any suggestions?
We already have three very definitive builds, Fury, Damnation and Temptation.
But the Paragon Path is called Hellbringer, which suggests Fire damage and summoning Devils etc to me.
The powers are a mixed bag of Curses, Lesser Curse bringers, Curse Eaters, Shadow Puppet Summoners and a mix of necrotic and Fire damage.
It seems to me the Hellbringer should be more to do with Fire damage and a second Paragon more to do with necrotic damage.
So maybe a second Paragon could be more of a Necromancer, maybe a Deathbringer?
Any suggestions?
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However, what I do see for the alternative path, maybe something more along the lines of following temptation or even damnation. Maybe a Seducer Paragon Path designed with more temptation based powers in mind, or a Forsaken path that emphasizes things that compliment pet master warlocks.
It's a wait and see.
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2/4 At-Wills are Necrotic, 2/4 are Fire-based
2/5 Dailies are Necrotic, 2/5 are Fire-Based, one is a Curse buff
6/11 Encounters are Necrotic, 5/11 are Fire-Based.
So we have one outlier, 10 Necrotic and 9 Fire-based.
Hellbringer certainly implies that to me.
A new Paragon Path would probably rearrange things a little, and there could be some new Fire-based and Necrotic Powers to make two paths, one going more for Hellfire and the other more for Necromantic things.
Or maybe something else.
a warlock who channels the infernal powers towards within him to buff himself.
Some ideas of powers could be for example:
At will: soul whip - hit the enemy with a projection of the player's soul. on the 3rd hit you put a debuff on enemy that over several seconds drain him of stamina and add it to yours, if the enemy has no stamina and is hit by 3rd hit then they will be stunned for 0.5 , 1 , 1.5 seconds
Encounter: ayra of decay - you cloak yourself with an ayra of decay damaging nearby foes and stealing a portion of their power adding it you.
Daily: demon self - you morph indo a demon for several seconds giving you bonus power, lifesteal and defence
also would change your at wills to one pure mele damage and one pure ranged damage, but as long as you'd be in demon form you cannot use encounters. When the effect runs out you receive a debuff hat reduces your power, defence and lifesteal for several (1, 2) seconds
Feature: demonic blood - when use a daily power you gain 50 , 65, 80 % of your missing HP as temp. HP
or .. if you die while your AP is full you are ressurected with 25% HP you also become immune to CC and dmg for 1, 1.5, 2 seconds but your AP is drained completely
Or maybe something related to fate, like a Doomsayer.
Hellbringer to me means you bring forth hell, not fire. In fact nothing epitomizes this more than Gates of Hell, as you literally open them up to consume the souls of your enemies.
This last note shows how Cryptic can and does change the 4E (and 5E in the future perhaps) rules to suit their MMO model.
So... my bet would be the next paragon path would be a combo of powers from different pacts (just like "Infernal").
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No. Simply because it doesn't even make sense. Second fact it's already established you are a hellbound warlock. So if anything the next pact will be a shadow pact. Shadow pact will most likely mean more emphasis on control and possibly healing.
Awww man. On hindisght I think the devs may have implied they won't be doing a Fey Pact warlock.
Yeah I agree. Whatever it is the next paragon tree will have more emphasis on CC, it's the one thing warlock is currently missing. The encounter will be some kind of CC, seeing as we already have a CC daily most likely the daily is more likely to be some kind of buff. Maybe it'll be a slightly more defensive daily than Warlock currently have or maybe some kind of mass soul link. I have no idea what kind of features they would give it but that daily and encounter are two things which would give something the class doesn't already have. I wouldn't be surprised if the at-will had some kind of debuff to slow the enemy or cause it to hit less damage, maybe some kind of siphon to then buff you for the debuff if that target is cursed while the debuff is on them. Or something... <_<
But I wouldn't expect any look into a second paragon until at least 4 months down the line anyway. They still need to do work on other classes especially DC now temptation warlocks are running about.
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That is true. As much as I like the Warlock, they should not be out-healing DCs. Even if they have to rely on Life Steal to do it, can only really heal during battles and have nothing for healing up a party after a big battle.
And does Healing Depression and Righteousness apply to Warlocks? That's another pair of things that should be gone.
And DC damage is pitiful as well. Far less than it should be.
But then, T2-geared, 18k GS parties don't really need much healing anyway.
I think the difference between Paragon paths for a Hellbringer might be to separate Necrotic and Flame a little more - maybe have some Control Powers through Fear, or a couple of new Flame-based powers. Some of the main powers for either may need to be moved and swapped with the Helbringer-specifics. The three highest level encounters are all Necromantic already. And all three of the current Paths seem pretty well defined at the moment. They are almost like three true sub-classes in one.
I am not too au fait with 4th Edition, I'm an Olde Tyme First Edition and 3.5E player and DM. But maybe they could create another Pact, like they have two Fighters? It would be a shame to spoil the Hellbinger, so maybe a separate Fey Pact?
There is a distinct difference between AC and DO in the DC paths, and AC may be a slightly better Healer/Buffer, but DO is more powerful and probably more fun. But the AC has a lot of issues and most feats for both Paragons are pretty poor, whereas almost all Warlock Heroic feats are so good, I feel spoiled for choice.
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