Man you're in denail, get a grip.
The skill is insanely powerful and works diffirently than the tooltip says, it's unbiased deduction.
You however are completely biased and defensive, do you really belive "you" can be interpreted like that in this context? I mean really?
"anyone who mouses over the debuff" It's the skill discription in the frickin powers tab! Ofcourse it's aimed at the person reading it!
You're just grasping at straws..
If you want denial, go to the CW and GWF forum. The SW forum is still new and we are trying to have our place in the team and to do that we want to improve the only tool we have which is DPS. We don't need your biased opinion here. If it is an error it will be fixed eventually whether the skill itself or the wording but SW will still need more DPS. You can tell which class is OP based on who gets invited on teams alot. CW is usually reserved 2 slot, 1 is for the GWF and another for the DC on that 5 man team. Which leave us 1 slot we are hoping for SW competing with other DPS class. Tell me if that is not true.
Man you're in denail, get a grip.
The skill is insanely powerful and works diffirently than the tooltip says, it's unbiased deduction.
You however are completely biased and defensive, do you really belive "you" can be interpreted like that in this context? I mean really?
"anyone who mouses over the debuff" It's the skill discription in the frickin powers tab! Ofcourse it's aimed at the person reading it!
You're just grasping at straws..
I've been called worse. You can call it denial, but I've seen sillier, since I've seen what Crush does with powers. The simple fact you think this is the only way warlocks melt groups of bad guys or even bosses is silly. Hurrah for the baddies that rely on this power, I was still beating their damage.
Now, while you keep talking denial, you still have yet to answer, what will do if they do say it's WAI? Oh really, you gong to keep beating that denial bush? Seriously.
Me I am fully prepared for it to get nerfed because that's what will happen as long as the wizards and GWFs keep crying. it has nothing to do with OPness and more to do with the fact that the X classes and old hats don't want the status quo changed.
If you want denial, go to the CW and GWF forum. The SW forum is still new and we are trying to have our place in the team and to do that we want to improve the only tool we have which is DPS. We don't need your biased opinion here. If it is an error it will be fixed eventually whether the skill itself or the wording but SW will still need more DPS. You can tell which class is OP based on who gets invited on teams alot. CW is usually reserved 2 slot, 1 is for the GWF and another for the DC on that 5 man team. Which leave us 1 slot we are hoping for SW competing with other DPS class. Tell me if that is not true.
What are you talking about, what part about my post is biased? Just beacuse i'm pointing something out that dosen't favor locks dosen't mean i'm anit-SWs for gods sake.
I play a SW and love it and this is a public forum, who the hell are "we"? Are you the spokeperson for mentally unstable shut inns? If you can't take reading opinions you don't agree why don't you leave? And take that juvenile "us vs them" HAMSTER with you while you're at it. CWs GWFs are completely broked,damage is supousedto their secondary role yet they're rule at it, but that has absolutely **** all to do wether TT is working as intended or not.
I've been called worse. You can call it denial, but I've seen sillier, since I've seen what Crush does with powers. The simple fact you think this is the only way warlocks melt groups of bad guys or even bosses is silly. Hurrah for the baddies that rely on this power, I was still beating their damage.
Now, while you keep talking denial, you still have yet to answer, what will do if they do say it's WAI? Oh really, you gong to keep beating that denial bush? Seriously.
Me I am fully prepared for it to get nerfed because that's what will happen as long as the wizards and GWFs keep crying. it has nothing to do with OPness and more to do with the fact that the X classes and old hats don't want the status quo changed.
You been called worse? Ok, i have absolutely no trouble beliving that but i wasn't calling you a name.
And "the simple fact" is that i wrote no such thing, i said it's insanely powerful and the tooltip says it's supousedto do less(i.e only spread your damage) than it is and that it isn't working as intended is the logical conclusion.
But hey, keep avoiding logic and go on attacking people with whatever, who cares about "ur über 1337 sKiLlz", that has nothing to do with anything.
Ok first thing of, we haven't "kept talking denial" in the first place which is why i have "yet to awnser" since i you haven't asked me a question unless it was in your head, which judging by your posts is a possibility and probably where most of your conversations take place.
Second, why would i keep saying denail if that was the case? I've already explained how came to my conclusion, just beacuse you came to grabbed yours from thin air beacuse it suits you dosen't mean i do the same.
Besides, if it was a poorly worded tooltip i'd probably wonder why no one above 12 proofread it and if it's just an old one i'd wonder how many minutes of sleep their developers are allowed per night.
And enjoy your tinfoil hat, you can't lose with this one, if they fix it, you were right but they listened to whiners, if they reword it you were right and will probably post endlessly about your latest achivement.
it is a very powerful daily power. but since SW is meant to be DPSer (at least for fury), I'd say it doesnt require a nerf hammer. Based on my just 2 weeks experience with SW, that powerful daily is necessary for SW in PVE epic dungeons. I really hope the dev would not go and nerf this down. If the dev really decided to do anything with it, I would suggest make a T4 paragon feat for it in Fury path, so that pure DPS SW only would get access to the wrathness of this power. just my 2 cents
it is a very powerful daily power. but since SW is meant to be DPSer (at least for fury), I'd say it doesnt require a nerf hammer. Based on my just 2 weeks experience with SW, that powerful daily is necessary for SW in PVE epic dungeons. I really hope the dev would not go and nerf this down. If the dev really decided to do anything with it, I would suggest make a T4 paragon feat for it in Fury path, so that pure DPS SW only would get access to the wrathness of this power. just my 2 cents
Doubtful, because of the tears they will probably nerf it down to the warlock, a 4 second duration and reduce the damage to 15% at rank 3 just to satisfy those crying about it.
After all can't dare be useful in epic dungeon runs LOL.
I paid the pirate king a visit for some times. I had like 10,5k GS using TT. A HR with 2k more GS did about 40% more damage. I am using the cleric artifact (still blue) and am not the most experienced player and all but still. Yes it is powerfull - and may need to be toned down but just a bit.
I'll always suggest to everyone in any cryptic engine game and any future game on the engine to use LoS where possible. Warlock is a prime example of needing the LoS to be used especially on a temptation warlock and with all the DoTS. I'm sorry I didn't truly understand some of what you said however on a temptation build your stamina recharges by 5% every time you get hit meaning with a DoT on you shifting can be spammed to interrupt encounter self root and with the feature to move faster while using it you'll be able to sprint around the place behind LoS like a mad man. 17% you are talking about getting the combat advantage up after crits right? You should be using that one anyway, I don't see how switching any of the other ones out would cause 17% damage reduction.
And yeah by immunity we thought you meant CC immunity. No SW has no dodge mechanic to allow them to resist 100% of the damage just like GWF. Doesn't change the fact that it will resist CC's while sprinting, if you get your timing right you can fully resist any CC's people throw at you. It's really nice for countering GWF and GF's.
I've flames of empowerment , it gives me 17% damage bonus wich is awesome, combined with no pity no mercy it can reach alot more.
Again, thanks for playing. "You" is a tricky concept, I guess.
I've seen alot of loot tooltips wrong, like boe and it's bop, also saw powers telling it does one thing and does another one, so dont worry and never trust crypt tooltips.
I paid the pirate king a visit for some times. I had like 10,5k GS using TT. A HR with 2k more GS did about 40% more damage. I am using the cleric artifact (still blue) and am not the most experienced player and all but still. Yes it is powerfull - and may need to be toned down but just a bit.
The aggro you get... gsus
It's not aggro, it's to help you group them up, an instict for tidyness Just curse three, gift one and walk backwards while dreadthefting as the CW pops OF or similar. Then even a min GS SW can burn Valindra or Draco to the ground. It's utterly ludicrous and has trivialised PvE content if you're even faintly competent. It's possibly worse than the old Knight's Captain stacking exploit when it works.
I've flames of empowerment , it gives me 17% damage bonus wich is awesome, combined with no pity no mercy it can reach alot more.
I don't get the fascination with flames of empowerment. At least at the moment. Unless/Until TT gets nerfed you should be using your daily almost every time it's up as soon as it's up. Holding your daily for a 17% bonus probably loses you 20-30% damage
It's not aggro, it's to help you group them up, an instict for tidyness Just curse three, gift one and walk backwards while dreadthefting as the CW pops OF or similar.
Yeah i defintely have to improove the rotations and all - while doing T1 dungeons i noticed that lots of Warlocks dont even use it or know how good it is. Well i will try to enjoy it as long as it is around!? Is that spell as good in PvP as in PvE like for the first clash at node 2?
Most SW's are as dumb as most CW's appearantly.
Both ARE going to get a nerf, and rightly so.
Working as intended? Dps class? Yeah okay SW's
and CW's should do lots of dps. Godmode just melting
anything that even looks at them, including brutes
and bosses, leaving other dps classes behind them
despite massive skill and gear difference?
Not so much.
Yeah i defintely have to improove the rotations and all - while doing T1 dungeons i noticed that lots of Warlocks dont even use it or know how good it is. Well i will try to enjoy it as long as it is around!? Is that spell as good in PvP as in PvE like for the first clash at node 2?
Stuff dies in t1s from at wills before you can set up debuffs anyway. It's fish in a barrel.
The cast time and setup on TT is a pig in PvP, you need to not be seen while you're flapping around, getting everything running. I haven't done much PvP-dom on my SW since I don't have tenacity gear yet (having seen my high tenacity GF dying to CWs in a couple of seconds while guarding). However, in GG, it seemed to melt face in large quantities. However, GG isn't really "proper" PvP per se, it's easier not to be seen.
And once again I will laugh at all the people saying it's not WAI if the fix is just correcting the tooltip so it reads exactly that. Because You can be interpreted as who is reading the tool tip, which means me, and anyone else that mouses over the debuff.
But who are we kidding. The CWs and GWFs aren't going to be happy until the damage is actually reduced, so that's probably going to be what happens to satisfy those egos.
Your first paragraph is a massive stretch. All the tooltips in game that use 'you' refer exclusively to the user of the power, but for some reason you think that the SW tooltip is different?
And regards your second paragraph - most of the people posting on this thread have at least one SW. The only ego at risk appears to be yours for some odd reason. I have no idea why. SW still kicks butt without leaning on a broken daily.
it is a very powerful daily power. but since SW is meant to be DPSer (at least for fury), I'd say it doesnt require a nerf hammer. Based on my just 2 weeks experience with SW, that powerful daily is necessary for SW in PVE epic dungeons. I really hope the dev would not go and nerf this down. If the dev really decided to do anything with it, I would suggest make a T4 paragon feat for it in Fury path, so that pure DPS SW only would get access to the wrathness of this power. just my 2 cents
Look - it was already a really powerful daily on Preview when it didn't factor the entire party's damage. Hell - it's a really powerful daily when soloing. And the only 'nerf' anyone is suggesting is that it should only factor the 'lock's damage, not the entire party.
Nobody really knows if this is WAI or Not. Hope it is WAI. But as I read all these cries from CW users here, it seems to me they are not really asking for nerfs although their motives is probably they want to be on top of the DPS board again. I usually read these forum threads for new ideas on how to use our skills properly and which items to use not the cries of CW users about broken skills. These thread should be in a section for bug reports I think. I'm not sure if it works if a CW is reporting it but you can probably send the message there to the appropriate people that can review it. Most people that read here are like me who wants to keep our DPS higher than CW and I think it is supposed to be higher for a pure DPS class. You are not gonna get your solution here. If it needs to be fixed, report it as a bug report.
SW class still needs most of its skills to be buffed because a lot of them are useless. Murderous Flames' damage is too low for a feat that far in the chain. The DPS of the SW is still too low for me with out TT, so I hope they will buff the rest of our dailies and encounters but I am satisfied now because of TT.
Now the CW class, THAT should be the one on a thread like this. That class is begging to be nerfed even if its dps is lower than SW because of how TT works now. If you want proof, check out the LFG channel.
CW still do much more dps than SW, only crappy cw will be outdpsed by sw on mob heavy dungeons. that said, tt is not overpowered you need lots of time to set it right and you may suffer from problems with targeting. IF something is not working as intended (party damage also being transfered) I am sure they will fix it or correct the tooltip.
I can outDPS a CW if there are huge amount of mobs because of TT. But on areas that have lesser mobs CW usually catch up on DPS. However, they might not be able to catch up at all if remember when to use your TT on the dungeon. I have to hold TT and wait until we get into an area of the map where there are a lot of mobs. For example, in Valindra's tower, there are about 3-4 areas there that TT is very effective so I hold on to TT for those areas. If you use TT on smaller mobs and it is on cool down when you get there, CW will kill those mob so fast before you try to get your daily ready. Its kinda cheating the score board since its only about dps numbers which the number comes from areas where the group doesn't really need the help. If there are no tank or CW on those areas to control the mob, the SW will go down so fast because of threat generated from all those dps. On Valindra's fight TT is useless so I use other dailies while CW maintain their damage capacity. So that's why I wish our other skills should be boosted and not depend on 1 skill on highly populated areas just to show the number on the board. If you look at it overall on every situation rather than the DPS chart, you can say CW still can DPS higher than SW plus they have the ability to crowd control, that is why that class is so broken. SW should be doing much more DPS on what we have now and lower CW dps.
I can understand why CW cry here in this thread because we really did cheat them on the dps board lol. They know they can deal the over powered damage but can never beat us in the scoreboard when TT is up. The more they deal damage on a mob, it increases the damage on the mob around it. SO their huge DPS is working against them if they try to compete with us on dps while TT is up. CW is useful and can deal the dps it needs for the group but they can never show that in the scoreboard and satisfy their ego if TT is up. We kinda took credit on the work they do lol. But we are warlocks and that's what we do which is kinda fun watching CW trying really hard to DPS the mobs with TT on them thinking they are beating us in the scoreboard. But despite what TT does, I am glad we have it because we are useful to the party. Although we are cheaters and bad people because of TT, we are team player first and we can't have that high score without CW helping us there. Maybe if they get the credit of the damage dealt because of TT through their own dps, they probably will stop crying.
Hi, im new and i am a warlock. I think tyrannical threat is not that powerful. Tyrannical threat is the only skill that makes a warlock useful compared to other skills and control wizards, without tyrannical threat, warlocks would be nothing. I don't think it has to be nerfed. its good as it is.
Hi, im new and i am a warlock. I think tyrannical threat is not that powerful. Tyrannical threat is the only skill that makes a warlock useful compared to other skills and control wizards, without tyrannical threat, warlocks would be nothing. I don't think it has to be nerfed. its good as it is.
you really should wait until you're more experienced before making a claim like that. it is THAT powerful, and then some. you need to learn the class to get the most DPS out of it.
from my experience since launch, SW is the class that is easiest to spot the inexperienced players from those who have figured it out. if you're not getting awesome DPS out of TT, you're either not fury, or you're not doing it right because of lack of experience.
I wouldn't go so far to say the class itself is fundamentally massively OP, but TT sure as hell is when used correctly.
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Yup, but TT won't help you against all the main bosses like Valindra, Fulminorax, Lostmauth, Garakas (well, maybe a little with him until the Drakes are gone).
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Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
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If you want denial, go to the CW and GWF forum. The SW forum is still new and we are trying to have our place in the team and to do that we want to improve the only tool we have which is DPS. We don't need your biased opinion here. If it is an error it will be fixed eventually whether the skill itself or the wording but SW will still need more DPS. You can tell which class is OP based on who gets invited on teams alot. CW is usually reserved 2 slot, 1 is for the GWF and another for the DC on that 5 man team. Which leave us 1 slot we are hoping for SW competing with other DPS class. Tell me if that is not true.
I've been called worse. You can call it denial, but I've seen sillier, since I've seen what Crush does with powers. The simple fact you think this is the only way warlocks melt groups of bad guys or even bosses is silly. Hurrah for the baddies that rely on this power, I was still beating their damage.
Now, while you keep talking denial, you still have yet to answer, what will do if they do say it's WAI? Oh really, you gong to keep beating that denial bush? Seriously.
Me I am fully prepared for it to get nerfed because that's what will happen as long as the wizards and GWFs keep crying. it has nothing to do with OPness and more to do with the fact that the X classes and old hats don't want the status quo changed.
What are you talking about, what part about my post is biased? Just beacuse i'm pointing something out that dosen't favor locks dosen't mean i'm anit-SWs for gods sake.
I play a SW and love it and this is a public forum, who the hell are "we"? Are you the spokeperson for mentally unstable shut inns? If you can't take reading opinions you don't agree why don't you leave? And take that juvenile "us vs them" HAMSTER with you while you're at it. CWs GWFs are completely broked,damage is supousedto their secondary role yet they're rule at it, but that has absolutely **** all to do wether TT is working as intended or not.
You been called worse? Ok, i have absolutely no trouble beliving that but i wasn't calling you a name.
And "the simple fact" is that i wrote no such thing, i said it's insanely powerful and the tooltip says it's supousedto do less(i.e only spread your damage) than it is and that it isn't working as intended is the logical conclusion.
But hey, keep avoiding logic and go on attacking people with whatever, who cares about "ur über 1337 sKiLlz", that has nothing to do with anything.
Ok first thing of, we haven't "kept talking denial" in the first place which is why i have "yet to awnser" since i you haven't asked me a question unless it was in your head, which judging by your posts is a possibility and probably where most of your conversations take place.
Second, why would i keep saying denail if that was the case? I've already explained how came to my conclusion, just beacuse you came to grabbed yours from thin air beacuse it suits you dosen't mean i do the same.
Besides, if it was a poorly worded tooltip i'd probably wonder why no one above 12 proofread it and if it's just an old one i'd wonder how many minutes of sleep their developers are allowed per night.
And enjoy your tinfoil hat, you can't lose with this one, if they fix it, you were right but they listened to whiners, if they reword it you were right and will probably post endlessly about your latest achivement.
Doubtful, because of the tears they will probably nerf it down to the warlock, a 4 second duration and reduce the damage to 15% at rank 3 just to satisfy those crying about it.
After all can't dare be useful in epic dungeon runs LOL.
The aggro you get... gsus
I've flames of empowerment , it gives me 17% damage bonus wich is awesome, combined with no pity no mercy it can reach alot more.
I've seen alot of loot tooltips wrong, like boe and it's bop, also saw powers telling it does one thing and does another one, so dont worry and never trust crypt tooltips.
It's not aggro, it's to help you group them up, an instict for tidyness
I don't get the fascination with flames of empowerment. At least at the moment. Unless/Until TT gets nerfed you should be using your daily almost every time it's up as soon as it's up. Holding your daily for a 17% bonus probably loses you 20-30% damage
Yeah i defintely have to improove the rotations and all - while doing T1 dungeons i noticed that lots of Warlocks dont even use it or know how good it is. Well i will try to enjoy it as long as it is around!? Is that spell as good in PvP as in PvE like for the first clash at node 2?
Both ARE going to get a nerf, and rightly so.
Working as intended? Dps class? Yeah okay SW's
and CW's should do lots of dps. Godmode just melting
anything that even looks at them, including brutes
and bosses, leaving other dps classes behind them
despite massive skill and gear difference?
Not so much.
Stuff dies in t1s from at wills before you can set up debuffs anyway. It's fish in a barrel.
The cast time and setup on TT is a pig in PvP, you need to not be seen while you're flapping around, getting everything running. I haven't done much PvP-dom on my SW since I don't have tenacity gear yet (having seen my high tenacity GF dying to CWs in a couple of seconds while guarding). However, in GG, it seemed to melt face in large quantities. However, GG isn't really "proper" PvP per se, it's easier not to be seen.
And regards your second paragraph - most of the people posting on this thread have at least one SW. The only ego at risk appears to be yours for some odd reason. I have no idea why. SW still kicks butt without leaning on a broken daily.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
SW class still needs most of its skills to be buffed because a lot of them are useless. Murderous Flames' damage is too low for a feat that far in the chain. The DPS of the SW is still too low for me with out TT, so I hope they will buff the rest of our dailies and encounters but I am satisfied now because of TT.
Now the CW class, THAT should be the one on a thread like this. That class is begging to be nerfed even if its dps is lower than SW because of how TT works now. If you want proof, check out the LFG channel.
Guess CW's mod4 30-40% damage nerf weren't enough for you...?
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
If your CW is doing less damage in mod 4, then you are most assuredly "doin it rong™".
I think not!
Try to keep up with some lousy dot against 150k+ shard/oppforce crits...
Try using the new and improved EotS properly. Slot Storm Spell. Then look at the total damage and not just the pretty orange numbers.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
you really should wait until you're more experienced before making a claim like that. it is THAT powerful, and then some. you need to learn the class to get the most DPS out of it.
from my experience since launch, SW is the class that is easiest to spot the inexperienced players from those who have figured it out. if you're not getting awesome DPS out of TT, you're either not fury, or you're not doing it right because of lack of experience.
I wouldn't go so far to say the class itself is fundamentally massively OP, but TT sure as hell is when used correctly.
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80