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cw finaly in a good place

f2pmaf2pma Member Posts: 665 Arc User
edited August 2014 in PvE Discussion
they have the burst from mod 1 tr
cc is way better then before tenacity
i say with 45 to 50 k hp easy and shield they are tanky like any gwf.
and ad from one and a half year of being only class in pve to back it all up
and best of all even pve build is viable in pvp
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  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    As a Renegade CW, I disagree.
  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    aulduron wrote: »
    As a Renegade CW, I disagree.

    I don't know why you would spec renegade in mod3 let alone mod4. Combat advantage damage is HAMSTER. What else do you get? A little crit severity and some random debuff.
    My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I did very well with it in mod3. It's the way I learned to play, and I'm too stubborn to change. However, I do have to stop PvPing.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    aulduron wrote: »
    I did very well with it in mod3. It's the way I learned to play, and I'm too stubborn to change. However, I do have to stop PvPing.

    Stubbornness is your own issue. MMO's change and builds have to change with them. This is part of what happens in every single mmo when they do a major content update.
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Well, I hope someone e-mails me when they're viable again. Hope I don't lose too much interest in the game before then.
  • vader6139vader6139 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    aulduron wrote: »
    Well, I hope someone e-mails me when they're viable again. Hope I don't lose too much interest in the game before then.

    Adapt and change or just leave.
  • crazymikeecrazymikee Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    renegade in mod3 was actually pretty adequate, but now is obsolete because of non-op feats the other paths have
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  • c1k4ml3kc3c1k4ml3kc3 Member Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    crazymikee wrote: »
    renegade in mod3 was actually pretty adequate, but now is obsolete because of non-op feats the other paths have

    Actually, OP is correct. Before MOD 4 I was extremely weak in PvP (that I do not like as much as some people might do) and I do not use any PvP oriented gear. Now I simply don't use singularity and the ball like before in PvE. I can't even manage to do since Time Steal already finishes the job with two prior spells :rolleyes:
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  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    crazymikee wrote: »
    renegade in mod3 was actually pretty adequate, but now is obsolete because of non-op feats the other paths have

    "Non-OP" feats, eh? Well regardless of whether they're Op or not, I personally think the main reason renegade was even adequate was because thaum wasn't much better. Cw didn't get strength from feats in mod3.

    Anyway, to the OP's sarcasm, I had to ditch my CW because it really wasn't very viable in PVP in mod3. It's obviously viable now.

    For the record I think GF is just as OP it's just taking them a little longer to get into the swing of things.

    Probably the best thing to do in this game is level all of the classes. Eventually they'll all be OP it seems at one point or another.
    My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
  • hypervoreianhypervoreian Member Posts: 1,036 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hamletswords wrote: »
    .

    For the record I think GF is just as OP it's just taking them a little longer to get into the swing of things.

    .

    ^^
    Speaks the top tier HR,which played and plays a bugged class:with multiple OP thorn wards(what a hillarious Op power really) ,a bugget pvp set, a bugged heal ability and thank god a reworked aspect of the lone wolf which gave HR a mere 25% additionall DR!!

    But yes GFs are op cause?The only viable pvp buff they got is Aod .10-15% damage increase (lol big deal) and hit from 40% health instead of 25% (big deal).

    It seems to be that except your bugged reworked aotlw feat and the bugged pvp set,HRs did bnot invest in defence and now they got owned by 12gs GFs and started QQing.
    Petty and pretty sad.
  • xnewyorkhardcorexnewyorkhardcore Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    aulduron wrote: »
    Well, I hope someone e-mails me when they're viable again. Hope I don't lose too much interest in the game before then.

    I feel exactly the same way about my HR. Had to sell Potency Marks for gold so I could remove all my enchantments today. (Mailing them to other chars because HR is done). But afterword I realized the HR was what motivated me to get online. Now I just read these boards rather than play. Tried a new game today. It's okay, but we'll see.
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    vader6139 wrote: »
    Adapt and change or just leave.

    We're not allowed to announce leaving. Besides, it's quite clear that if one wants change in this game, one comes to the forums to cry, so kindly blow me.
    renegade in mod3 was actually pretty adequate, but now is obsolete because of non-op feats the other paths have

    Adequate?? I beat most similarly geared thaums in mod3 with a renegade.
  • hefisdohefisdo Member Posts: 709 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    MMO's change and builds have to change with them. This is part of what happens in every single mmo when they do a major content update.

    That's why the other MMOs have easier ways to respec tbh.
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  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    hypervoreian wrote: »
    ^^
    Speaks the top tier HR,which played and plays a bugged class:with multiple OP thorn wards(what a hillarious Op power really) ,a bugget pvp set, a bugged heal ability and thank god a reworked aspect of the lone wolf which gave HR a mere 25% additionall DR!!

    But yes GFs are op cause?The only viable pvp buff they got is Aod .10-15% damage increase (lol big deal) and hit from 40% health instead of 25% (big deal).

    It seems to be that except your bugged reworked aotlw feat and the bugged pvp set,HRs did bnot invest in defence and now they got owned by 12gs GFs and started QQing.
    Petty and pretty sad.

    GF got base damage increases, a big boost to hp and knight's valor is great in PVP. There was a GF last night who left it on and basically made his whole team tanky the whole game.

    It's a little bit more complicated kind of OP than CW's OP, so that's why I think it'll take longer before it shows.

    If CWs do get nerfed it will become immediately apparent though.
    My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hefisdo wrote: »
    That's why the other MMOs have easier ways to respec tbh.

    Yes but you did get a free feat respec. You couldn't change up powers, stat points or paragon, but it allowed you to adjust what they messed with the feats.
  • regulusknighrregulusknighr Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hamletswords wrote: »
    GF got base damage increases, a big boost to hp and knight's valor is great in PVP. There was a GF last night who left it on and basically made his whole team tanky the whole game.

    It's a little bit more complicated kind of OP than CW's OP, so that's why I think it'll take longer before it shows.

    If CWs do get nerfed it will become immediately apparent though.

    gfs are now on the threshold of hrs in pvp, gwfs really lost a lot of its power, but cws OPs are there how to deal against a cw when it can immobilize you permanently
  • sco77y001sco77y001 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I play cw. In pvp our control and damage in module 4 is great. I love it. I feel like a GWF/HR in module 3. I'm not sure how long it will last so I'm going to enjoy the god-like feeling. We went from being barely represented on the first few pages of the "Leaderboard" to swamping it lol. Unfortunately we are now being blamed for breaking pvp (as GWF and HR were before). In the interest of so-called "balance" I would say that we are the most powerful class in pvp atm. I haven't had the opportunity to face a Warlock as yet so it will be interesting to see what they bring to the playing field.
  • shadowbunsliceshadowbunslice Member Posts: 175 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    regulusknighr wrote: »
    gfs are now on the threshold of hrs in pvp, gwfs really lost a lot of its power, but cws OPs are there how to deal against a cw when it can immobilize you permanently

    Your ignoring one important factor. HR, TR, GWF, can run circles around a GF all day long. None of these classes should be able to facetank and beat down a GF. Your going to have to play smarter to take one out, as it should have been from the beginning. As a TR I have very little trouble avoiding GF damage completely, meanwhile I use courage breaker and smoke bomb to make their life living hell. I see no reason why a GWF can't twitch sprint out of a follow-up when ever GF uses a gap closer, use a quick sprint to bypass their block and chain them starting with takedown, and then bogey when the GF picks himself up off the ground(stun now). As, for HR, I don't know, I don't play one, but I have already encountered HRs every bit as tough as M3.........
  • pandapaulpandapaul Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 424 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    By good place you mean completely Dominating pve and pvp. Then you are correct

    CWs face tanking gfs/gwfs
    CWs able to go 3v1 easily
    CWs perms freeze in both pve and pvp
    CWs doing CN solo.. Which a lot are ATM

    This module was "ment to bring cw inline with other classes"

    Instead they have created neverwinters first Demi god
  • yourtormentyourtorment Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Same, ive been a CW since launch... It got shelved for a while because it required a VERY supportive group to work in any premades. Pug farming anything would do.


    Now they hold their own.
  • regulusknighrregulusknighr Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shadowbunslice wrote: »
    Your ignoring one important factor. HR, TR, GWF, can run circles around a GF all day long. None of these classes should be able to facetank and beat down a GF. Your going to have to play smarter to take one out, as it should have been from the beginning. As a TR I have very little trouble avoiding GF damage completely, meanwhile I use courage breaker and smoke bomb to make their life living hell. I see no reason why a GWF can't twitch sprint out of a follow-up when ever GF uses a gap closer, use a quick sprint to bypass their block and chain them starting with takedown, and then bogey when the GF picks himself up off the ground(stun now). As, for HR, I don't know, I don't play one, but I have already encountered HRs every bit as tough as M3.........

    I am gf and noticed how much better I was in pvp against demics claases now have much more decent 1x1, beat a GF must be a strategic work to go behind him and kills him (go through your tankness). Yes it is right now, before we gfs we could not tanking because our guard was too useless and ended fast.
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