you do not know what it says, if GF were good before why only appeared on page 7 in the top pvp? were not obvious that if your class this weak now facing a gf ask her buffs.
GFs weren't broken before; they just required skill. The players were broken. To "fix" it, they buffed GFs insanely across the board, and those buffs eliminated much of the skill it took to play a GF.
They took a fun underdog that people were too stupid to realize was a decent class and made it ridiculously overpowered.
I can't speak to PVE but when it comes to pvp skill has always been a limited factor with regards to GF. You need high movement speed for tactical positioning and GF does not have that, AOD and the shield bash have always had fast activation times and auto targeting. "skill" is defined by positioning, timing, and precision. For the most part, a GF vs.... whatever class is mostly determined by the other person. How another player gets past GF block and avoids GF damage is determined by THAT player. What a GF can do and will do is pretty limited, and I might add quite predictable. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it takes no skill to play a GF. I understand that people love the GF class. But lets be honest here, a good cw will keep his distance from you and time his dodges/repel to your gap closers. A good TR will use courage breaker and smoke bomb on you and time his ITC and dodges to your attacks. A good HR/GWF can run circles around you and if they try to face tank your new block and damage they have not adjusted to M4. You might be feeling OP for now but do not expect it to last. GF mobility and block still have limitations and bypasses, people just are not using them because they never needed to before. Gf is a tougher opponent than ever before, but they are far from invincible.
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lvl99looterMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 682Arc User
GFs weren't broken before; they just required skill. The players were broken.
What!? I'm seriously starting to doubt your GF membership, like... you must not want your GF license lol. Brah... Lol...
So based on what you've said. I'm going to assume you're VERY knowledgeable about the GF, and you must know how to combat other classes, and come out on top. So let's see what you really know.
1. Before the recent changes, while the GF was very under powered (U.P. for short), when fighting the Mod 2-3 GWF. How would you personally deal with them resulting in your victory? I wanna know what powers you would use, how would you use them, when would you use them, and how would you prolong your death if you so happened too die? (Keep in mind this was during the time when GWF's were GOD's in PvP).
2. Before the recent GF changes, how would you fight a TRUE perma stealth TR (the TR's with high INT + Recovery)?
3. Before the recent GF changes, how would you fight the annoyingly absurd Hunter Rangers? (The ones who used Vines, 6 dodges, fox cunning, able to break free from CC by merely dodging, the ability to heal to full HP with a daily, and thornwards).
4. Before the recent GF changes, how would you combat CW's who specialized in Ice, or would use Shard of Endless Avalanche?
5. Before the recent GF changes, how would you kill a DC who's really well geared, and could out heal ALL your damage in a 1 vs. 1 situation?
6. Before the recent GF changes (my favorite), how would you fight another GF that has more HP & Regen that you?
7. Before the recent changes, when Knight's Valor wasn't togglable. How would you avoid death after realizing you made a mistake, and should not have activated Knight's Valor because you're going too die?
(I can go on with this, and a few other GF's and I personally know the BEST answers too some of these questions listed above. But I wanna see what you really know. Because from my personal EXP. The previous GF required MORE skill than any other class in the game. People aren't used too GF's rocking s***, so they won't know how to handle it, and lash out on the forums about them being OP. I'm really interested in your opinions, please answer all the questions above in FULL detail (bit-by-bit, move-by-move, powers-by-powers).
What!? I'm seriously starting to doubt your GF membership, like... you must not want your GF license lol. Brah... Lol...
So based on what you've said. I'm going to assume you're VERY knowledgeable about the GF, and you must know how to combat other classes, and come out on top. So let's see what you really know.
1. Before the recent changes, while the GF was very under powered (U.P. for short), when fighting the Mod 2-3 GWF. How would you personally deal with them resulting in your victory? I wanna know what powers you would use, how would you use them, when would you use them, and how would you prolong your death if you so happened too die? (Keep in mind this was during the time when GWF's were GOD's in PvP).
2. Before the recent GF changes, how would you fight a TRUE perma stealth TR (the TR's with high INT + Recovery)?
3. Before the recent GF changes, how would you fight the annoyingly absurd Hunter Rangers? (The ones who used Vines, 6 dodges, fox cunning, able to break free from CC by merely dodging, the ability to heal to full HP with a daily, and thornwards).
4. Before the recent GF changes, how would you combat CW's who specialized in Ice, or would use Shard of Endless Avalanche?
5. Before the recent GF changes, how would you kill a DC who's really well geared, and could out heal ALL your damage in a 1 vs. 1 situation?
6. Before the recent GF changes (my favorite), how would you fight another GF that has more HP & Regen that you?
7. Before the recent changes, when Knight's Valor wasn't togglable. How would you avoid death after realizing you made a mistake, and should not have activated Knight's Valor because you're going too die?
(I can go on with this, and a few other GF's and I personally know the BEST answers too some of these questions listed above. But I wanna see what you really know. Because from my personal EXP. The previous GF required MORE skill than any other class in the game. People aren't used too GF's rocking s***, so they won't know how to handle it, and lash out on the forums about them being OP. I'm really interested in your opinions, please answer all the questions above in FULL detail (bit-by-bit, move-by-move, powers-by-powers).
Again, this thread is about PvE.
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chaoscourtesanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2014
Ant-Dude.. I don't agree with the OP, and I think this whole thread is silly.. but he's not talking about PvP, and any argument using PvP is invalid for this thread.
I do somewhat agree with his statement that GF wasn't broken before. Mine never had a problem, at all. Since I never pugged at all, if people didn't come on the forums complaining about not getting into groups, I never would have known people thought it was broken.
Not saying it didn't need some improvement, it did. But it wasn't broken. It wasn't optimal for the dungeon design, nor for the gimme gimme attitudes of most of the people who play this game.
Rhyon Cawdorian GWF | Opa Loka TR | Cormac Argentus III DC | Annika Thornblade GF | Aerys Skydark HR | Bartin Findlor TR | Aellia Baalthrall CW | Lucan Hawkmoon CW | Opa Brahk GWF | Korzbyrk DC | Den Kruk GWF | Jherek Skarsin CW |
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
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lvl99looterMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 682Arc User
Before the patch, you would use it, knock them back with frontline surge to bring you to half health and then follow up with enforced threat to bring you to full health.
I don't know what GF you've been playing, but before mod 4 I could go from low hp to full with one frontline surge.That was with 40k hp.
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epclipseingmoonMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2014
so a tank class is op for surviving while tanking every mob in the room?
ROFL Sounds like a GWF tank lost his role me thinks....
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This thread is about PvE, not PvP.
only thing broken in pve is cw
I can't speak to PVE but when it comes to pvp skill has always been a limited factor with regards to GF. You need high movement speed for tactical positioning and GF does not have that, AOD and the shield bash have always had fast activation times and auto targeting. "skill" is defined by positioning, timing, and precision. For the most part, a GF vs.... whatever class is mostly determined by the other person. How another player gets past GF block and avoids GF damage is determined by THAT player. What a GF can do and will do is pretty limited, and I might add quite predictable. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it takes no skill to play a GF. I understand that people love the GF class. But lets be honest here, a good cw will keep his distance from you and time his dodges/repel to your gap closers. A good TR will use courage breaker and smoke bomb on you and time his ITC and dodges to your attacks. A good HR/GWF can run circles around you and if they try to face tank your new block and damage they have not adjusted to M4. You might be feeling OP for now but do not expect it to last. GF mobility and block still have limitations and bypasses, people just are not using them because they never needed to before. Gf is a tougher opponent than ever before, but they are far from invincible.
What!? I'm seriously starting to doubt your GF membership, like... you must not want your GF license lol. Brah... Lol...
So based on what you've said. I'm going to assume you're VERY knowledgeable about the GF, and you must know how to combat other classes, and come out on top. So let's see what you really know.
1. Before the recent changes, while the GF was very under powered (U.P. for short), when fighting the Mod 2-3 GWF. How would you personally deal with them resulting in your victory? I wanna know what powers you would use, how would you use them, when would you use them, and how would you prolong your death if you so happened too die? (Keep in mind this was during the time when GWF's were GOD's in PvP).
2. Before the recent GF changes, how would you fight a TRUE perma stealth TR (the TR's with high INT + Recovery)?
3. Before the recent GF changes, how would you fight the annoyingly absurd Hunter Rangers? (The ones who used Vines, 6 dodges, fox cunning, able to break free from CC by merely dodging, the ability to heal to full HP with a daily, and thornwards).
4. Before the recent GF changes, how would you combat CW's who specialized in Ice, or would use Shard of Endless Avalanche?
5. Before the recent GF changes, how would you kill a DC who's really well geared, and could out heal ALL your damage in a 1 vs. 1 situation?
6. Before the recent GF changes (my favorite), how would you fight another GF that has more HP & Regen that you?
7. Before the recent changes, when Knight's Valor wasn't togglable. How would you avoid death after realizing you made a mistake, and should not have activated Knight's Valor because you're going too die?
(I can go on with this, and a few other GF's and I personally know the BEST answers too some of these questions listed above. But I wanna see what you really know. Because from my personal EXP. The previous GF required MORE skill than any other class in the game. People aren't used too GF's rocking s***, so they won't know how to handle it, and lash out on the forums about them being OP. I'm really interested in your opinions, please answer all the questions above in FULL detail (bit-by-bit, move-by-move, powers-by-powers).
Again, this thread is about PvE.
I do somewhat agree with his statement that GF wasn't broken before. Mine never had a problem, at all. Since I never pugged at all, if people didn't come on the forums complaining about not getting into groups, I never would have known people thought it was broken.
Not saying it didn't need some improvement, it did. But it wasn't broken. It wasn't optimal for the dungeon design, nor for the gimme gimme attitudes of most of the people who play this game.
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
Hmm I see...
Well I still disagree, go run 4/4 CN. You'll have different thoughts after wiping a few times.
I don't know what GF you've been playing, but before mod 4 I could go from low hp to full with one frontline surge.That was with 40k hp.
ROFL Sounds like a GWF tank lost his role me thinks....
Princess Amber - DC
Shieldmaiden Amber - GF
Valkyrie Amber - GWF
Huntress Amber - HR