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Dragonborn race .... Need help considering ?

baddeedsbaddeeds Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 74
edited August 2014 in PvE Discussion
1. Would dragonborns make a good gf compared to dwarf gf ????

2. Which race would you prefer as a warlock ..... 1. Dragonborn 2. Humans . 3 tiefling . 4 if none of these and which one would it be . And why 1. 2. 3. 4 :)..... Would help alot to get some good advices
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  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    1. Yes. If that is what you want to play, then play it and enjoy it.

    2. Plenty about this on the Preview forum, have you check out those threads? All three races are excellent options for warlocks.
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  • baddeedsbaddeeds Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 74
    edited August 2014
    yes i have and i m confused :)
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The number one reason to play a Dragonborn is because you want to look like a Dragonborn. There's no statistical advantage that's so great that you'd be at a disadvantage by playing the race you want.

    On the flip side, if you're not down with the lizard-look, I would highly advise AGAINST paying for the race.

    Ultimately, the biggest impact is going to be the cosmetics.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Well my understanding is that dwarf racials are broken and don't work, at all. So dragonborn > Dwarf for any class really.

    For warlock if you want the best I'd say human because of the feats.
    T4
    0/5: Blood Pact Of Cania:Increase the amount of bonus dmg Constitution gives by 5 %
    0/3: Devestating critical:Increase Critical Severity By 15%

    Without the human feats you are three feats short, and dropping those feats will lose you more dps than any gain from the extra 2 stat points and racials.
  • baddeedsbaddeeds Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 74
    edited August 2014
    Awesome thanks that is what i was really debating about
  • caexarcaexar Member Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    charononus wrote: »

    For warlock if you want the best I'd say human because of the feats.
    T4
    0/5: Blood Pact Of Cania:Increase the amount of bonus dmg Constitution gives by 5 %
    0/3: Devestating critical:Increase Critical Severity By 15%

    Without the human feats you are three feats short, and dropping those feats will lose you more dps than any gain from the extra 2 stat points and racials.

    This pretty much the standard for any class really. If there are more than 5 damage increasing feats in the 4th tier of heroic, the human will be the best damager.
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    Well my understanding is that dwarf racials are broken and don't work, at all. So dragonborn > Dwarf for any class really.

    For warlock if you want the best I'd say human because of the feats.
    T4
    0/5: Blood Pact Of Cania:Increase the amount of bonus dmg Constitution gives by 5 %
    0/3: Devestating critical:Increase Critical Severity By 15%

    Without the human feats you are three feats short, and dropping those feats will lose you more dps than any gain from the extra 2 stat points and racials.

    Is the constitution buff worth it though? 5% of the constitution amount doesn't seem like a lot. If it was a flat 5% buff then sure.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    frishter wrote: »
    Is the constitution buff worth it though? 5% of the constitution amount doesn't seem like a lot. If it was a flat 5% buff then sure.
    *Unsure what race to be himself*.

    I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure the tooltip is misleading and it is a 5% buff.
  • gabrieldourdengabrieldourden Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I think it´s not TBH. The effect of the feat is negligible.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    gabrieldourden wrote: »
    I think it´s not TBH. The effect of the feat is negligible.

    Well I won't be doing it on a warlock but I'm off to test on another class that has the same feat write up. Will post results when done.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Ok did some testing with a ranger. They have a T4 feat series that is 3 points for 6%
    I tested both with and without the feat taken by attacking with rapid strike on a training dummy for 5 mins.

    average 897.95
    average 923.92

    That gives the feat an effective increase of about 3% (rounding).

    My character had a 16% increase from dex to start with. So honestly I'm not sure how it's doing the math at all. That said 3% always on increase beats the sustained increase of dps from any other race.
  • hefisdohefisdo Member Posts: 709 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    I know this is kinda racist, but I don't think Dragonborns fit with anything but GWF.
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  • rabbinicusrabbinicus Member Posts: 1,822 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hefisdo wrote: »
    I know this is kinda racist, but I don't think Dragonborns fit with anything but GWF.

    They would seem to work at least as well as GF's and DC's (Bahamut as a diety option of course...), but should be able to work for any class. What's the issue?
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  • hefisdohefisdo Member Posts: 709 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    rabbinicus wrote: »
    They would seem to work at least as well as GF's and DC's (Bahamut as a diety option of course...), but should be able to work for any class. What's the issue?

    I meant aesthetically xD

    It's IMO though. I have a lack of knowledge about the 4E lore.
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  • harkinharkin Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    What does their heads look like? i wanna know if they are worth getting and sacrificng headslot item for? :(
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    harkin wrote: »
    What does their heads look like? i wanna know if they are worth getting and sacrificng headslot item for? :(

    Check out the below link; They updated it w/ pics of male & female Dragonborn: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/game-pack/detail/495
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  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    bioshrike wrote: »
    Check out the below link; They updated it w/ pics of male & female Dragonborn: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/game-pack/detail/495

    ...which really should be "Iguanaborn".

    Obviously, I'm not too impressed.
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  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    gabrieldourden wrote: »
    I think it´s not TBH. The effect of the feat is negligible.
    Are you sure? All the similar feats from other classes give a flat buff of the given percentage.
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  • harkinharkin Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    bioshrike wrote: »
    Check out the below link; They updated it w/ pics of male & female Dragonborn: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/game-pack/detail/495

    Yeah thats not really good enough sadly, if thats all the choices there are then this has to be the worst race in history.
  • harnelharnel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    harkin wrote: »
    Yeah thats not really good enough sadly, if thats all the choices there are then this has to be the worst race in history.
    I very much doubt that's all there is to the race's visuals.

    what we need is someone with the dragonborn pack to start screenshotting the different appearance options you can pick up. then people can make an informed decision.
  • voltomeyvoltomey Member Posts: 1,052 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    harnel wrote: »
    I very much doubt that's all there is to the race's visuals.

    what we need is someone with the dragonborn pack to start screenshotting the different appearance options you can pick up. then people can make an informed decision.

    I will make a dragonborn thread cause i have the pack Mite be better if i make a video instead cuase pictures really cant show you every angle like a live video can
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  • harnelharnel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    voltomey wrote: »
    I will make a dragonborn thread cause i have the pack Mite be better if i make a video instead cuase pictures really cant show you every angle like a live video can

    That sounds perfect, Thank you Volt.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    kweassa wrote: »
    ...which really should be "Iguanaborn".

    Obviously, I'm not too impressed.

    Don't mock the Iguana, they could all carry Samuel L Jackson's wallet from Pulp Fiction.

    Iguanas:

    Mother never meets baby: iguana mothers lay the eggs underground and leave them. Babies hatch, dig themselves out, and are on their own to survive. That's right you thought you had a rough childhood, Iguana's laugh at that. They start out by being buried alive and having to claw their way out like the bride.

    If an iguana’s tail is cut off, they can grow another one. Because of their tail’s weak vertebrae, often iguanas break their tail to escape after getting caught. That's right they are the Black Knight and "tis merely a flesh wound"
  • voltomeyvoltomey Member Posts: 1,052 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2014
    kweassa wrote: »
    ...which really should be "Iguanaborn".

    Obviously, I'm not too impressed.
    Your not to impressed but its how dragonborn have always looked like in 4E
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    harnel wrote: »
    I very much doubt that's all there is to the race's visuals.

    what we need is someone with the dragonborn pack to start screenshotting the different appearance options you can pick up. then people can make an informed decision.

    I intended to DemoRecord precisely this. Unfortunately no-can-do until Mod 4 is actually released. By then the sale will be over and it will be a full $99 buckaroos for any fence sitters still sitting. :(
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    angrysprite wrote: »
    I intended to DemoRecord precisely this. Unfortunately no-can-do until Mod 4 is actually released. By then the sale will be over and it will be a full $99 buckaroos for any fence sitters still sitting. :(
    The part that is aggravating about this is that the whole pack will be beta tested on live. Having no test time is very worrying.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    The part that is aggravating about this is that the whole pack will be beta tested on live. Having no test time is very worrying.

    If it helps, you can think of it not as Mod 4 Live, but as Mod 4 Open Beta.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    If it helps, you can think of it not as Mod 4 Live, but as Mod 4 Open Beta.

    I really did lol at this. I miss old school it will be released when it's ready and not before game design.
  • harkinharkin Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    They handled this pack poorly in all its forms, from the high price with nothing of real value. And then the fact that they wont show the heads of the new race since we lose out the ability to show helmets.. i was gonna go Dragonborn Warlock just for the heck of it, and i have no idea how good the Warlock headgear looks, but i can only hope i didnt screw up by going Dragonborn and be forced to race swap.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    harkin wrote: »
    They handled this pack poorly in all its forms, from the high price with nothing of real value. And then the fact that they wont show the heads of the new race since we lose out the ability to show helmets.. i was gonna go Dragonborn Warlock just for the heck of it, and i have no idea how good the Warlock headgear looks, but i can only hope i didnt screw up by going Dragonborn and be forced to race swap.

    The cosmetic look is the least concerning part. I'm worried the proc part of the racial will either not proc, proc all the time, or that the power/crit given will be greater than listed. I'm worried the healing amp won't work. I'm worried that the artifact will be claimable multiple times and useable for refinement. I'm worried the gemfinder thing won't work.
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