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[Suggestion] AD Sink
oicidraz
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Hi, just wanted to share and idea to help the current situation where 9M are requested in the ZAX, and it's with the Rebirth System that was being suggested a lot of times, and I think we could have a similar system which I've see in other game, for example:
1- Hit lvl 60 (and maybe complete another requirement).
2- Accept Rebirth Quest.
3- Bla bla bla.
4- In the final part of the quest you have to pay a fee to Rebirth (let's say 1M AD and 250 Gold).
5- You start from lvl 1 with some bonuses and now lvling is harder than before.
This would be a huge and constant AD sink, not only would help the current situation, but in the future ppl new and fresh ppl would save some AD just for this, so it would be a huge help for now, and a constant AD sink for the future.
1- Hit lvl 60 (and maybe complete another requirement).
2- Accept Rebirth Quest.
3- Bla bla bla.
4- In the final part of the quest you have to pay a fee to Rebirth (let's say 1M AD and 250 Gold).
5- You start from lvl 1 with some bonuses and now lvling is harder than before.
This would be a huge and constant AD sink, not only would help the current situation, but in the future ppl new and fresh ppl would save some AD just for this, so it would be a huge help for now, and a constant AD sink for the future.
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A lot would depend upon what sort of bonus this process gives you - if it's too good, it'd be equivalent to buying power, which is a no-no. Also, you couldn't have these people play in a different world from everyone else, so the effect of things being harder would have to be implemented as some sort of self-imposed debuff.
Personally, though, I feel that smaller and more readily available AD sinks would be better than really expensive ones; things like fashion sets, BoP bags, etc.
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I think this would be better, caue maybe some ppl buy bags, some ppl buy fashion sets, etc... but if there's a rebirth option, the 99% of the ppl who have the requirements would save AD or pay for this.
The customization of fashion in this game is lacking
And lets face it. For the most part they were bought with AD anyway, except if they want, they could move it to the bazaar and remove all of the AD from the economy.
Are you suggesting a new idea that they put coal wards in the bazaar?
Because if you are saying to make them BOE again like before, then that is not an AD sink
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AD sinks the way they are implemented are not desirable to ones with the controlling share, because it doesn't serve their purpose at all, which is market manipulation.
Edit: The people 'controlling' the economy (If there are such people that are able to manipulate it that greatly) are only a threat if their items are in demand. If people have options aside from the AH, problem solved.
1) What does Cryptic have a steady track record of adding and updating in a timely manner?
2) What does Cryptic do relatively well?
Answer BOTH of these questions and you have what should be our A.D. sink.
And sadly enough that answer is:
LOCKBOXES.
Put a stripped down type of Lock Box Key on the Wondrous Bizarre for a Box that will have some useful or desirable (yet utterly optional) items. For example, Fashion Sets, Dyes, and Weapon/Armour Skins. Or Rank 4/5 Enchants. A BoP Green or White Pet or Mount, possibly ones from previous Events or CtA's. Maybe even a small chance at some Trade Bars.
Make it ALL BoA (except those BoP Companions/Mounts).
Again, I don't think that this is necessarily the best possible solution.
I just think it is the one most likely to happen and least likely to be screwed up.
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Guess what? We already have those in a form of companions and mounts upgrade, wondrous bazaar fashion (and basically all items from wondrous bazaar). And it does not work, mostly because that you have plenty of AD doesn't mean you are willing to pay it for things that you don't really need and are expensive. What we really need are affordable items for everyone.
Sure this would start another power creep, but at least AD would have a use again.
I really feel sorry for the new players, even if you buy the biggest Zen package you won't have enough AD to get a perfect vorpal/barkskin enchant.
Another thing that will also affect the economy are the legendary belts etc - their refinement requirements are going to affect the AH prices - and in fact, have already done so - prices of the refinement items have at least quadrupled on the life server since a week ago - despite module 4 being two weeks away. True, this will only affect the AD supply slightly (the 10% cut of the increased AH prices), but nevertheless it is a small sink.
It's not about targeting the wealthy per se. It's about creating more demand for AD, taking it out of the economy and the exchange and possibly increasing the amount of zen being transferred into AD
Why would anyone go for a lockbox that is inferior in ways apart from the price?
It does't require enchanted keys (which are now only available in the Zen market costing Zen Points), but rather use a different key (call it whatever you want: Golden Key or whatever) that can be purchased directly with Astral Diamonds. Among all the AD Sinks I've seen suggested over the last few months, the 'Lotto-Box' is the best idea.
I would only add that it should have the same Companion and Mounts as the regular lockbox, but with even lower odds - and those be BoE as the regular ones. Even with lower odds than the already ridiculously low odds of the normal lockbox, the Lotto-box would sell like crazy - because of the flood of Astral Diamonds already in-game.
I concur, except there is no real money involved in this entire game unless you choose to use real money (it is entirely optional). The very existence of the ZAX makes this a legal game of lottery (where lockboxes and other "game of chance" applies). But with the legality aside - I reiterate that I concur with you in regard to setting a bad example for youths.
That other person wanted it at pretty much the same price as a regular key via the exchange rate if I understood him right. In which case that new lockbox would be a foolish thing to do. Then again lockboxes themselves are kind of foolish.
I was thinking along the lines of a MUCH cheaper Box. Something that would be available to all players consistently. The sort of thing you would pick up a couple after Invoking and doing your Dailies, maybe selling them through the Gateway to eat up some of that Leadership A.D. supply. Something along the lines of a slightly buffed up Purple Leadership Chest.
Although, I can definitely see the utility in a line of more expensive Boxes aimed at folks with huge hoards.
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Using AD as the AH currency was an interesting idea at first, but it seems to be causing more trouble than it's worth. The only reason I can see for them continuing is the fear that converting it to Gold instead of AD would cause a mass exodus from the game. Which it very well might, but given just how much of a barrier to enjoyable gameplay that AD prices have become I can't help but wonder if it's causing problems with player retention already.
I'm not sure is this is what you were explaining @Canis36 - but if so then I agree.
Using a single currency, whether it's Gold or Astral Diamonds for everything (like vendor purchases for pots, etc.) would do the trick pretty quickly. Simple replace all AD in game with Gold (/Silver/Copper) and make all in-game purchasing and player-to-player trading done with one currency.
Star Trek Online actually had FEWER different currencies for it's first year and the Devs decided there were TOO MANY and consolidated many of them into fewer currencies. The player base resounded in a joyous "it's about damned time". They need to do the same with Neverwinter; too many different currencies in this game.
As to the Lottobox/Lockbox idea - yeah, it's a good idea, but I side with all those who are "thanks, but no thanks 'cause I never buy into those things" group. The ROI on them is ridiculously low.
These boxes would be sold directly in the Bazaar, and you wouldn't need a key to open them.
I'm just giving rough ideas. The prices and prizes should be set by more qualified people. All I can say is that people need to want what's inside the lotto boxes, so they can't put craps prizes inside, just because they won't get cash for them.
The companions and mounts aren't an AD sink. They're outrageously priced to the point not many people want to do it. It isn't really required. Enchanting however, is pretty well considered to be required. So obviously making enchanting easier via AD sinking, would be a viable sink that would catch a lot of people.