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CWs getting nerfed? I think not
chihuab
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(I know things might change before the official launch of mod 4, but I'm just judging from what I've seen in preview server)
Assailing Force (CW's capstone feat):
Just watch this, you'll be speechless like I am. CWs with this feat can EVISCERATE anyone within 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyKDgiZsXEc&list=UUhPmvoFXVyxAI3gv30-z4tQ
The damage is bugged in the video, but it'll still do ~6400 (800% weapon damage w/ 800 dmg weapon) about every 5 sec, worst of all, it CAN'T be mitigated.
Assailing Force (CW's capstone feat):
Just watch this, you'll be speechless like I am. CWs with this feat can EVISCERATE anyone within 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyKDgiZsXEc&list=UUhPmvoFXVyxAI3gv30-z4tQ
The damage is bugged in the video, but it'll still do ~6400 (800% weapon damage w/ 800 dmg weapon) about every 5 sec, worst of all, it CAN'T be mitigated.
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Also, they come with these powers that can't be mitigated (Like pierce damage for HR, now CW and we alredy had TR), being useless to have a good Defense, Deflect and Tenacity...
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?692711-Official-Feedback-Thread-Control-Wizard-Changes&p=8466411&viewfull=1#post8466411
on top of that huge shield buff.
40k hp cws just needed that extra survival so they can sit back and chill in the throne while everything dies.
no need for dodge anyway.
and in pve i dont see them losing their spot in the groups.
they can still put out more cc (and dmg) then any class
but thats all fine i have a cw which is going to have a respec
so plz no nerf
It's about time. CWs have been on the short end of the PVP stick for a long, long time. Now they can actually survive.
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I hope things will look more balanced when Mod 4 hits live.
It's Thaums capstone feat. Only 1/3 of CWs have it. It won't do most CWs any good.
Other things wrong with that video: no one is dumb enough to stand in the middle of Icy Terrain and take all of the damage from the spell. Also other effects were contributing to damage: Creeping Frost, Warped Magic, and Storm Spell twice. Those all have a low proc rate but all managed to hit. Also the lightning bolts next to the damage numbers tells you that the Icy Terrain ticks and the Storm Spell hits were all criticals.
Basically, the video has a perfect storm of atypical conditions. It would be akin to showing a video of a GWF killing an opponent by doing takedown, Flourish, and IBS on a stationary target while getting critical hits on all three and saying "GWF's getting nerfed? I think not"
Gloom level 60 Control Wizard
Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
How much more? Hypothetically, let's put you in charge.
My CW on live is able to do X DPS to four training dummies. How much should that X be reduced? 20%? 40%? 50%? 90%? What is your ideal damage rate for a CW?
Well I've ran multiple cn runs on preview with 3 guildies as cw and each and every time they still out damaged a gwf an hr handily. This was before the nerf to hr archery and before they eased up on the cw damage nerf. They have godly control ability now and this damage nerf has been scaled back so that it is practically non existant.
Honestly they could lose another 25-30% damage and be brought back down to the realm of sanity because as they are now it is insane. The one class with the biggest balance problem and they've essentially been empowered.
Gloom level 60 Control Wizard
Dusk level 60 Trickster Rogue
Dawn level 60 Devoted Cleric
Eclipse level 60 Hunter Ranger
Wrath level 60 Great Weapon Fighter
Jinx level 60 Scourge Warlock
These rebalancing discussions are starting to remind me of the old statement about compromise, it's worked out well when everyone is unhappy.
Are you familiar with the nerfs? Because they haven't "scaled back" anything. Here's the list:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?708161-Updated-list-of-Changes-for-Control-Wizard-s-in-Module-4
There's no way to read that list with a come away with "No nerfs here!"
I'd also like to know when these CN runs you did were. Because some major damage reductions to CW's happened on 7/11 here:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?706641-Tyranny-of-Dragons-Preview-Patch-Notes-NW-25-20140709a-2
Those feats were bugged and were increasing damage output by 30-50%. Now that they've been fixed it is very different on the preview server. So if you're asking for an additional 25-30% from runs you did before 7/11/14 then it's already been done.
Also, you still didn't quite address the initial question of how fast should CW's be able to pump out damage compared to the live server? What do you think is fair?
Before the whining is starting a quick read for this:
"Control Wizard: Assailing Force: This feat is now half as effective on players."
Really?
Lower geared HRs are outdpsing me 2-3 million, healer (not dps)SWs are outdpsing me 6 million on preview CN but sure...
After 30-40% how much order can I take plz?
lets see tr got 70% dmg nerf and still are viable
so cw need 90% at least
Your video is out of date. We have had further reductions after this video was created.
Only 1/3 of CW's are Thaumurgist. The rest are Oppressor and Renegade, and you will LOL when you see their damage in CN.
Are you saying that currently the other classes provide 10% of the CW's DPS?
I see. So you think a top-of-the-line, best possible build CW should be able to do ~4k dps to four test dummies in the Dread Ring when my 11k TR with mismatched gear, rank 5 enchantments and no weapon enchantment can do 6k DPS in the same circumstances?
Do you have some kind of reasoning or rationale behind this? Or is it just emotional class envy that should be ignored?
You are saying your TR can do 50% more damage to four targets than a CW? *cough* BS *cough*
You need to follow the conversation.
A TR is suggesting that CW's should have their damage nerfed 90% in Mod 4. The best I've been able to do on live on 4 test dummies with my CW is about 40k DPS. So 90% nerf would put me at 4k DPS. My craptacular prayer-bot TR does 50% more damage than that.