How good TR PWE is now after all the nerfs? Should I start playing NW again?

korpakukac1

I had a TR as my first character about a year ago, leveled up to lvl56 and enjoyed every bit of it until the tard nerfs came.
I played mostly PWE and enjoyed the massive DPS I could do.

But the nerfs hit me hard, mostly the Lurker's Assault nerf and soon I uninstalled. (Why nerf everything taking only PVP into account?...)

It was +60% dmg back then, now it is +25% as I see...

I tried several other MMORPGs, but all proved to be inferior compared to Neverwinter and I am thinking about coming back now.

So could you guys please tell me how TR is doing now in PVE? I remember usually I did at least 2x the damage in pwe than the next dps... How is it now?
Is TR still an enjoyably HAMSTER dps in PVE, is it still fun to play and OP in it's own way?

Thanks for your answers

(ps.: Hope I posted this to the right place...)

mxtime

korpakukac1 wrote: »

I had a TR as my first character about a year ago, leveled up to lvl56 and enjoyed every bit of it until the tard nerfs came.
I played mostly PWE and enjoyed the massive DPS I could do.

But the nerfs hit me hard, mostly the Lurker's Assault nerf and soon I uninstalled. (Why nerf everything taking only PVP into account?...)

It was +60% dmg back then, now it is +25% as I see...

I tried several other MMORPGs, but all proved to be inferior compared to Neverwinter and I am thinking about coming back now.

So could you guys please tell me how TR is doing now in PVE? I remember usually I did at least 2x the damage in pwe than the next dps... How is it now?
Is TR still an enjoyably HAMSTER dps in PVE, is it still fun to play and OP in it's own way?

Thanks for your answers

(ps.: Hope I posted this to the right place...)

here is last dmg posted from cn:

gwf 43 mill
cw 40mill
gf 23mill
tr 12 mill
dc 6mill
as you see its up there with the dc if you spec for pve.
and perma do same as dc
but you will not get a chance to do that crazy dmg coz no one will invite you to dungeon.
bassicaly 9gs tr before did more dmg then 17gs tr now

brazennl

If you're referring to the good ol' days where it was CN with DC/DC/CW/CW/TR, where you would tank the bosses and down the first boss inside of 30 secs, those days are long gone. I'll take a rainbow party with me any day, but you'll find groups aren't actively seeking out TRs anymore.

Why not give it a try, it will only cost you time.

izidius

korpakukac1 wrote: »

I had a TR as my first character about a year ago, leveled up to lvl56 and enjoyed every bit of it until the tard nerfs came.
I played mostly PWE and enjoyed the massive DPS I could do.

But the nerfs hit me hard, mostly the Lurker's Assault nerf and soon I uninstalled. (Why nerf everything taking only PVP into account?...)

It was +60% dmg back then, now it is +25% as I see...

I tried several other MMORPGs, but all proved to be inferior compared to Neverwinter and I am thinking about coming back now.

So could you guys please tell me how TR is doing now in PVE? I remember usually I did at least 2x the damage in pwe than the next dps... How is it now?
Is TR still an enjoyably HAMSTER dps in PVE, is it still fun to play and OP in it's own way?

Thanks for your answers

(ps.: Hope I posted this to the right place...)

And people are still crying and whining asking for even more nerfs, lol - what a community this game has.

vasdamas

I'd say don't if you intend to play TR only.

Almost each time my friend CW/GWF (he plays both) picks me for CN I get insulted by either "a burden" or "second sort pet" lol
Nevermind I did more damage than one of the CWs with p.vorpal in a party and only had 1.3m gap with the 2nd one...

wimpazoid

You can simply start playing NW again and see if it's as fun as you remembered, and at least cap your TR and start gearing up. Then see how it pans out. Having capped and geared all 6 classes, I can safely say the experience while leveling doesn't provide a good enough gauge of the class, especially after a year's span.

The good thing about returning now is decent filler gear are dirt cheap, the bad thing is the cost to gear up properly have risen significantly.

Having said that, know that TRs take more effort to play, it's not as easy to raise your GS, and the predominant party make ups are AOE centric, leaving TRs out. Still, the TR is IMHO the most fun and fulfilling solo class to play in end game, and the only one with the tactical maneuverability to move freely about the battlefield, which is a thing with the new Heroic Encounters.

rustlord

Out of sympathy I would tell you NO. Don't go back. Save yourself the heartache. The TR now is the complete opposite of the TR before, forced to hide in permanent stealth from our lack of (overnerfed) offensive which have hurt PvE beyond imaginable proportions.

On another, because I love the class and remain faithful to it despite the nerfs, I might tell you YES, come back. Try to play less PvE and think not of the nerfs. Adapting to new META could be as fun as it is frustrating. If you spec into all-out damage, you could still see yourself in the charts behind the best geared CW in your team. Find yourself a PvE guild AND

Definitely recommend joining the /NW_Legit_Community channel. Of all the LFG places, it's the only one I've found that didn't discriminate TR for being reduced to a support role in dungeons.

korpakukac1

Thanks for your answers guys.
As I see from the replies it would be better not continuing with my TR. I like PVE more and in PVP it is a long and frustrating way getting gear sufficient for perma.

R.I.P. TR ;(

Guess If I want to play Neverwinter again I should look at the other classes.

I do not want to be a healer.
I enjoy being an nuker DPS grinding all the enemies into tini little pieces. Ocasional tanking is ok too.

So what other class is the best PVE DPS now? I would do at least daily PVPs, so it is good if the class shines in PVP too.
Which class do you recommend?

Is it GWF? Or CW?

f2pma

i recomend cw.fun,easy to play,easy to group for dungeon (with tr it takes 30 min to join t2 with cw 5 sec 5calls)
you can spec for pure dmg (stox build)and a be top of the paingiver all the time.has crazy aoe burst and cc.there are more builds check on cw forum
or roll a halfling and still be able to pvp.

rustlord

He wants a

nuker DPS grinding all the enemies into tini little pieces.

so definitely go GWF.

crusherbeast

Find delzoun guild. Farm dk often. When you get like 11-12 k gs, make 4 more alts. Farm CN alone. Then when you get 14 k gs and skills at draco fight-pm me.
Vasdamas-don't say stupid things that no one wants tr in party. I always prefer tr, if there were more good tr's ingame i would not take gwf in cn parties. Problem is so many TR left not that they are not needed. Also who cares about t2 pugs they are losers anyway, so what is the difference who they want if they fail. I do CN whenever i want as TR, so stop crying find normal people. Good luck, oh and one more thing stop making bad oppinion about tr. Instead of writing these negative posts, make mass topics about unnerfing TR and nerfing gwf and cw. Then it will be usefull what you are writing.

vasdamas

crusherbeast wrote: »

Find delzoun guild. Farm dk often. When you get like 11-12 k gs, make 4 more alts. Farm CN alone. Then when you get 14 k gs and skills at draco fight-pm me.
Vasdamas-don't say stupid things that no one wants tr in party. I always prefer tr, if there were more good tr's ingame i would not take gwf in cn parties. Problem is so many TR left not that they are not needed. Also who cares about t2 pugs they are losers anyway, so what is the difference who they want if they fail. I do CN whenever i want as TR, so stop crying find normal people. Good luck, oh and one more thing stop making bad oppinion about tr. Instead of writing these negative posts, make mass topics about unnerfing TR and nerfing gwf and cw. Then it will be usefull what you are writing.

Hah.

That's my own opinion and I am not the only one who says such things, you're a blind buffoon if you don't see all that feedback the TRs leave on forums. And I shall express my opinion the way I want and as long as I want as I've been playing my class for a quite a while.

I still can find a party when I want to, that's what I have the buddie list for, with the people that actually know I am worthy as STDPS. I was rather talking about general situation. Perhaps you should go and try find a party for VT/CN while playing on your rogue, outside of the guild.


Tatty bye

rustlord

The STR/DEX TR could still come up behind a CW in the DPS charts, but like others have mentioned, many of the old_meta TR have left the game due to nerfs. I don't blame them. Bright new minds replenished the TR population because, what can I say?, TR is an amazing class no matter what nerf bat they throw at it. However, the META now is a semi-perma CON/INT TR -- that is the opposite of the STR/DEX damage type.

Nerfs were half the reason TR is less effective in PvE.
The new META is the other half reason.

korpakukac1

I am recommended GWF and CW too!

Which is more effective, which is the better DPS?
Which is more fun to play?

If you could give me a link to a few new gameplay videos with these two classes with the new powers, new meta I would be greatful

Gotta decide which way to go... CW or GWF...

My TR will be a storage character i guess...

crusherbeast

Stop spamming in tr forum. If you want help on other classes go on other forum. This is no place for that.

korpakukac1

Fair enough

onodrain

What Neverwinter giveth, Neverwinter can taketh away. Module 4 is going to have major class changes. So what you like today, will likely be much different then.

Really, you should play what you love to play. Test out different classes and then choose what you like.

And for the record, while the DC does heal, the reality is that there is no healing class. DC is a buff/debuff class that can lay down heals. But mainly, they are buffers and debuffers that allow you to avoid taking damage and multiply the damage of their party. Isn't it better to just not need healing because your buffs rock? People who want to play a healer are very disappointed with the DC, cause they think it is a healer. An adept DC can give their group a 100% damage buff during clutch times, while pushing your damage mitigation to the 80% hard cap. But a DC cannot heal stupid. Nothing can keep up with the healing needed for playing stupid.

sickbrak

I have to ask something here because I have a new account and can't post new threads.

I just started the game and I fell in love with trickster rogue. I have been always playing heavy geared tank classes though, but guardian fighter isn't how I want it to be, although he is really low level. I need to ask though:

1. Is single target dps trickster among the best? (I guess AoE ruins the dps charts)
2. Is he a good assassin class for PvP especially tagged with a healer?

and for those who have played guardian fighter
3. Is gf experience as fun as the trickster's? If the tank class is fun to play (especially in PvP) I may consider the class change.

faustasdm

sickbrak wrote: »

I have to ask something here because I have a new account and can't post new threads.

I just started the game and I fell in love with trickster rogue. I have been always playing heavy geared tank classes though, but guardian fighter isn't how I want it to be, although he is really low level. I need to ask though:

1. Is single target dps trickster among the best? (I guess AoE ruins the dps charts)
2. Is he a good assassin class for PvP especially tagged with a healer?

and for those who have played guardian fighter
3. Is gf experience as fun as the trickster's? If the tank class is fun to play (especially in PvP) I may consider the class change.

1. This won't really matter until gwf and cw changes roll out. Also dealing that damage is tricky cause staying for extended times in close range to the boss will get you killed.

2. godly PvP class, though easiest and only option that is considered is going perma stealth.

3. may be fun to play, but not really needed in PvP. In PvE it's kind of the same.

micky1p00

mxtime wrote: »

here is last dmg posted from cn:

gwf 43 mill
cw 40mill
gf 23mill
tr 12 mill
dc 6mill
as you see its up there with the dc if you spec for pve.
and perma do same as dc
but you will not get a chance to do that crazy dmg coz no one will invite you to dungeon.
bassicaly 9gs tr before did more dmg then 17gs tr now

I think you took it those numbers from the video that was posted. Yes, TRs are bad at PvE now, and CN is the worst (by far), but (i think) those numbers don't represent the class. There should be no reason a TR will be behind GF (sorry GFs) unless there is a very big gs difference or not the best rotation from the TR, and especially with GF and DC in party (less total AoE dps -> more time for TR to attack stuff, and no much need to dodge stuff except the wrights)

azeryk1

It depends a lot on what build you want and also what you want out of the game.

I'm still a PVE geared rogue designed to deal damage - yes it's a pain in the rear now that CWs and some GWFs can out DPS us but as long as your in a guild you'll have no problems finding a party for dungeons as rogues can still do a good job.