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rustlord
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As TR, I know we've all cried hard about the GWF *ROAR* whether privately or expressed. It's time you put those brilliant minds to work and we pitch in individual ideas to counter roar. So fire away, give it your best shot.
My life and yours, desperately depend on it >.<
My life and yours, desperately depend on it >.<
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It has always been the most effective way against GWF.
Why would people even need to ask lol.
Deft it's not a proper counter (in fact i doubt we have one) , dodge timing it is; even so i try to use Deft after SS and while running away from a GWF, that's when roar usually hit.
If used with proper timing, you apply the Deft Strike slow effect and avoid roar while gaining some seconds to decide which action to take.
Dodge is a 'counter' for the first 10 seconds into the fight, where you first dodge TD, and then try and dodge roar.
Sweet. You're now safe.
...for the next 7 seconds. After that, just take your hands off the keyboard and mouse, and go get a soft drink or something.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
It's a "survive" until you can go back to stealth, since we only have daze attack that means nothing since unstoppable procs so much.
I've played with this setup whenever i found against 2 GWFs, it's a gamble i know but with proper timing and knowledge of enemy's CD something can be done.
Like others have said Deft strike is good, so is Vengeance pursuit for WK. But it comes down to your timing and trying to get the GWF to use roar where you were as you just always keep moving.
Side note for Whisper Knife players: Using smokebomb during the teleportation part of VP makes you arrive with the smoke bomb going off in tandem. This same result can not be achieved by trying deft strike and Smoke bomb. Smoke bomb won't go off till after you land Deft and will be entire animation. Using smokebomb during VP teleport it ties the animation in with VPs animation and they both hit at the same time. Great for trying and control the flow of combat vs a GWF or anyone really.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
Unless GWF is one of those "hold Ctrl" guys...
WTB Class Reroll please
I appreciate all the information. And this was an awesome tip I would definitely have to try out. As a Whisperknife, I rotate SS BnS and Smoke Bomb while all ranged at wills for my only source of damage. Getting caught by roar while in stealth is the next worst thing to being one shotted. When Whilrwind crits, it crits hard and is pretty dependable. But when it comes to timing, if the big guy *roars* first, I discovered I have to press smoke bomb 3x just to activate it.
It feels as if Roar is a 3in1 kind of CC now. Feat roots you, roar interrupts, and leaves a dazed-like bug that cancels all action including dodge and encounters
Considering the utility of the power, it should at least have been 18~20 sec recharge, the "bullshi*" line being at 15sec minimum.
I mean, just look at the default recharge values of TR encounters. What did the developers think? We'd be too OP with our encounters recharging too fast? OK. Perhaps they're right. For instance if SS recharge was any lower, coming under 10 secs, then anyone would do perma with SS alone. So, fair enough, we understand that.
...then what's the f***ing excuse for GWFs? LOL
Back-to-back Unstoppable firing off... all major powers getting a crazy boost in recharge... broken powers like Roar coming back every 8 secs.. What's with the developers and their GWFs?
Normally, I won't be so childish as to claim someone in the development team loves GWFs... but frankly, enough is enough. Just compare the amount of complaints and nerf requests to TRs they've responded to, with the complaints against the GWF.
Its, simply, not fair. I agreed and supported most of the nerfs to TRs for the sake of balance, to help make people of all classes enjoy a more balanced game. But the nerf-bat should be fair, without any double standards... and as it is, now I find myself seriously in doubt.
Something's not right.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Very nice, I've been strictly deft/smoke/daze, sly/DHS in dom (WK). If I time my dodges for his cc immune, smoke, daze, or a *good* deft to avoid his roars, and stabstabstab during the times he is CC'd I tend to surprise him and get some pretty nasty hate tells after the game. It's funny how often people I straight up walk to the respawn camp message me about how outdated/bad my build/spec is.... Also 2xHK's daily is 2 more prones (DC artifact @ 100 and im specced for lots of AP gen)
In the long run, mobility, being unpredictable and having some cc of your own are your only counters. Besides that not relying completely on stealth helps. Just because he cannot see you doesn't mean he can't use logic to guess where your best vantage point is. If you are contesting a node and have hit him with a ranged dagger, chances are he already has you in his sights.
The last thing I could suggest is being very vocal here about why roar needs fixing... like weeks ago. Every voice counts. Let's be honest, if you want to win this encounter, you need to straight up outplay AND outgear the GWF. And fast before help comes.
no matter what u do one rotation and u are dead thats the problem.gwf has 7,8 chances before unstopable runs out.
oh and i would just love to see that combo make a vid
WTB Class Reroll please
Personally I like Negation for this purpose. +25% resistance while I restealth. If I were to use Feytouched as well, I'll take 61% less damage in the small window I don't have stealth.
Nvm my previous post.
WTB Class Reroll please
Smokebomb, like PotB, doesn't respect wep. enchantments, I'm afraid.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Rust... if P.Negation works as expected, then in that "danger time" where a WK is exposed and SS still not recharged yet, it would be taking 71% less damage.
■ DHS (15%)
■ Distracting Knives (5%)
■ Expert Sneak (5%)
■ Vengeance's Pursuit (9%)
■ Feytouched (12%)
■ P.Negation (25%)
...this is HUGE.
Although, the tricky part would be timing encounters right so you can have Feytouched at its uptime, instead of going into downtime.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Same old Roar. GWF's just got a buff for it recently, decreasing it's CD.
WTB Class Reroll please
Yes, that is the plan. Although until now I'm not too sure if Distracting Knives affected yourself, and not simply a 5% reduction to party. Tooltips are incredibly ambiguous but it can be either way. I don't have Expert Sneak, which I have been debating if it was worth switching over from Executioner to Saboteur. Critical Teamwork/Overrun + my Vorpal presents a challenging decision.
If you walk around him he probably miss you with Roar, cuz it's targetless. So if you know when he's going to use it, just face him and then move behinde each jump. Just continue to DF and attack him and try to avoid roar.
If roar catch you and you just activated Impossible To catch just walk away from him and wait until you can use Shadow Strike again.
If he hitted you while stealth just use Impossible to catch to remove root debuff, but wait for daze debuff.
Never use Bloodbath if daze still annoying you.
What else.. let him see you when you have enough stamina to dodge twice one when he's going to attack you, one when Duelist's flurry is over, walk around him so he will probably hit with Takedown / Roar (but you must be smart and avoid 'em) and then attack him with Duelist's flurry.
So the only way to counter roar is to troll him and make him fail.
(97% of GWFs just play randomly and aren't that good. Roar fix is near, and good GWFs can kill you even without Roar.)
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I've learned the hard way that the dodge-forward trick no longer works against roar abusers. If you remember, dodging forward can in fact save you from a frontline-takedown rotation...but roar behaves differently and stops you on your tracks despite dodging early. Instead, dodging sideways seem to work.
Edit:
Something important I tested in last night's PvP. The CC break of Vengeance Pursuit does not break ROAR as it should. May be bugged, or may be intended (aka. nuts) but when VP activation breaks freeze, entanglement and root...it is affected by what looks to be a skill-cancelation bug that occurs with roar. I noticed recently it's more worse than being dazed, when you just cant activate skills. When dazed with roar, you can activate powers but they will be cancelled, sometimes go into cooldown. Reactivating 3x work, but by that time the GWF have used takedown.