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lady808
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but they improved your chances to get an epic level item (if you're a healer or tank type)? Then they lowered your chances to get said item? So +1 added to a -1 is equal to a 0? Considering the drops rates as they are now... It seems it'd be more like a +1 added to a -10? Having done my fair share of HEs and walking away with nothing, in large groups as well as duoed, -10 seems fairly accurate, but correct me if I'm wrong please.
Oh! If you're not a tank or healer, you actually end up going from a -1 added to a 0 so that's equal to a -1 going by my first example? So they basically did nothing to improve the chances if you're a tank/healer, and they made it even harder if you're anyone else?
Oh! If you're not a tank or healer, you actually end up going from a -1 added to a 0 so that's equal to a -1 going by my first example? So they basically did nothing to improve the chances if you're a tank/healer, and they made it even harder if you're anyone else?
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This changes that so that DCs and GFs (for example) will have a chance at getting higher level results because damage taken and healing scores will count for more.
As a result of that, because there'd be more toons that qualify for higher level participation rewards, they reduced the epic drop rate overall to keep things balanced.
Remember, though, ALL classed take damage and heal themselves (potions)... well mostly likely anyway... , so improving the "juice" one gets from that meant all players will see their participation scores increased. That means all players would have seen a drastic (and unbalancing) increase in their drops - so they reduced the overall rate to compensate for that.
DCs and GFs will still see a dramatic improvement, but that doesn't mean they'll suddenly get epic drops left and right. It just means they won't bust their butts for a mere 25 Black Ice all the time now.
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Overall it's a very bad change. I've done the beholder, Remo, Prospectors and Raid the Raiders about 100 times on several classes (including DC and GF), unless I showed up late I was getting the 180 raw black ice + junk drops (which was on at least 90/100), but NEVER got the BI gear drops.
So to me, they are now making it even harder. Mind boggling.
To me the real issue with DC's qualifying for a drop is the fact that we are fighting for scraps; with never enough to go around.
With the current meta of life steal returns visa vi power and plentiful potions on short CDs. Couple that with no real damage being done to a raid - consider one or two players taking spike damage at any giving 8 second interval, out of 15-30 people... As soon as more than one single DC shows up to the fight, they are competing for tiny scraps of healing to do. God help them if there are 3 or more DC's in the raid.
None of the common healing abilities stack. Astral seal is constantly being overridden by every DC in the raid and no body is getting anything close to full healing credit for it. Astral shield doesn't stack either. So basically we are working with sunburst or forgemaster's flame or healing word to try to beat out every other DC out there to top off players that are already close to being full by the time our healing animation completes.
TLDR: basically a DC is fighting with each additional DC to top off players that are taking very little damage, meanwhile the damage those players take is almost completely already healed through life steal and potions. Since powers don't stack every DC is overriding the spells of each other; it is always best to be the last to cast astral shield.
Well I don't know about the "taking very little damage" part.
I'm usually getting seriously pummeled as a mage, and teleporting all over the field with about 8 mobs on me the majority of time, so I know I take a ton of damage as I can watch my health drop to like 1/8th left in a heartbeat. Thank god for Lifesteal and Potions.
However, GFs will likely not see any change of the rewards because:
1. GFs have high Damage Reduction/Deflect, so already take lower damage to begin with (except for Black Ice)
2. GFs are not significantly more durable than other classes. Probably even less durable if you consider that other classes benefit a lot from Lifesteal and can outheal the damage they take
3. GWFs will top the charts on damage taken because of Unstoppable
So overall, DCs and GWFs will be the main beneficiaries, and potentially TR loses out the most (lowest damage taken generally, mainly reliant on damage)
I'm so, so, SO disappointed with this module.
It doesn't really matter. I can face tank the beholder, but its AoE hits me and about 50 other players around me. What does it matter?
This is such a lousy "fix"
If I am reading it correctly it's not really a competition. Somebody else qualifying doesn't necessarily reduce your chances of qualifying.
Basically some of you are looking at it as if there are only X amount of prizes that can be given out based on participation. I don't think that is the case which is why they had to reduce the drop rate.
It looks more like you have to reach a threshold of points by damaging enemies, taking damage or healing allies. Everybody who reaches this threshold becomes qualified to have a chance winning a top end drop.
So, yes, the DPS classes will still have an easier time reaching this threshold, that did not change from what I am reading. What they did do was increase how many people can each this threshold by making it easier for everybody to reach this threshold. Thus increasing the drop rate.
In order to compensate for the increased amount of qualifying players they reduced the chances that it will be an epic reward.
Make sense?
Nope.
The RNG is bad. I'm farming gloves on 3 toons, GWF, TR, CW since release, day by day. I got NONE. After so many hours of staying in front of the screen doing the same laggy encounter, I got, at best, some bound hammerstone items that nobody wants or epic crafting mats.
Never the **** gloves.
At least I can enter that other laggy PvE thing now, Kessel's Retreat. Thanks for that, appreciate it. Cause I have given up on farming gloves. I thought this game is pay for convenience. Well I want to pay and skip this cumbersome, foolish grind, please.
The change in mechanics was because some classes like DC's and GF's never qualified for a single epic drop.
My post was not arguing whether or not the glove drops are too rarecompared to other epics. My post was describing the exact wording of the changes to avoid some misconceptions on the results.
"Make sense" referred to my explanation of how it works and why it is an improvement for all classes. Nothing in regards to how quickly you want that specific epic drop to fall into your lap.
I just consider that farming on 3 toons from Module 3 release to now, while other people got 6 pairs of the gloves, qualifies me for a pair as well.
This is why systems with tokens (such as CTA) are better.
You work for the gear, you KNOW you can get it.
All I am arguing against is the ridiculous gating behind RNG.
Please remove it.