Nice thoughts and ideas about a "free market" where God (or PWI) decided to change the rules by making most coal wards account bound.
Makes on wonder if the current Z shortage might not be a problem of the free market in the first place.
Another thing ... I would seriously consider spendind money again on a game, if, after I invested ~200$ into equipment (e.g. make a vorpal & SF or buy armor) to make a toon playable, on the next day someone might decide to change the rules of the game and make said character useless. Like they might have done with the GF and last years bulwark "adjustment". And now the KC set.
I mean, you invest 160$ into making a vorpal and tomorrow someone might say "We decided that Vorpal was overpowered, we toned it down a bit. It is now more efficient to attack your enemy with a wet fish."
It doesn't matter so much, the zen exchange cap. Because most Zen items can be sold on the AH. Eventually all those items will go over 500:1 cap.
It already takes a free2play person an incredible amount of extra time to be competitive than someone that pays cash. For someone that player the game for the PVP and only occasionally PVEs, it is impossible to ever be competitive without paying any real world cash.
As the game continues on, the difference betwen those that spend real world cash and the free players becomes greater and greater because of the inflation of AD. At some point in time, there would be no sense for a potential new player to ever consider playing the game, because they will always be better off playing a pay-to-play game. Why would someone start playing a free2play when they know ahead of time that spending cash is required to be on equal footing as other players.
5 Jun 2014 08:51 292 IcanDance offered to buy 1 for 500 each.
5 Jun 2014 22:37 292 Purchased 1 for 500 each.
There were about 900k ZEN requested at the time of me bidding for it.
What people don't understand, I think, is that the buy/sell pool is first-in, first-out.
So, if you offer to buy Zen and there is already a buy pool of 1000AD your AD will not sell until that first 1000 AD sells and it's your turn. It is literally first-come, first-served. The pools to buy are queued. So it makes sense that buying even one Zen Point can take that long, because all the other buy orders before you have to be handled before yours is.
Another thing ... I would seriously consider spendind money again on a game, if, after I invested ~200$ into equipment (e.g. make a vorpal & SF or buy armor) to make a toon playable, on the next day someone might decide to change the rules of the game and make said character useless. Like they might have done with the GF and last years bulwark "adjustment". And now the KC set.
I mean, you invest 160$ into making a vorpal and tomorrow someone might say "We decided that Vorpal was overpowered, we toned it down a bit. It is now more efficient to attack your enemy with a wet fish."
This is the primary reason why I do not spend money in game. Everything about my account and characters are 1) Cryptic's property and they can 2) do whatever they want to it.
On the bright side, the ZAX Buy side is diminishing. Hopefully this Anniversary AD sink (err, event) can get us back to normal.
Currently there is a requested amount of ~350k Zen at 500AD/Z on the exchange. That's the lowest it has been in a while. I'd like to think those chicken eggs are the reason for that . Hopefully we will see more AD sinks like this in the future.
It does seem as if the event is having a major effect. Admittedly it could either have been a very well thought out response or sheer luck but regardless things seem to have improved.
Right now looking at the best guesses for the chance of the different companions and the current prices of the possible companions from the egg and the enchants, it seems possible to make (on average) a reasonable amount of AD out of this. Which of course a lot of people with large amounts of spare AD will take advantage off.
On the plus side this means that AD will be removed from the economy twice - once by the straight out purchase of eggs, and secondly by the AH cuts.
On the minus side the people who are most likely to benefit are those with large amounts of AD already (say at least 10-20 million AD, preferably nearer 50 million) who can afford to buy a lot of eggs to even out the RNG.
So the ZEN rate should be lowered (The amount of Zen Requested at 500 AD went from 1.5 million a couple of days ago to a quarter of that right now) and the economy should hopefully function better as a result. However, those who will benefit the most are those are already the best off....
What people don't understand, I think, is that the buy/sell pool is first-in, first-out.
Oh, I thought this is obvious.
I just wanted to point out that, regardless of how many you want to buy, it takes at the moment about 14 hours.
and we also know that within 14 hours 900k ZEN were sold. As I expect that someone who plays the ADX has already sold his ZEN 2 weeks ago when the 500 were hit I suspect that most of these 900k ZEN were created through $$$ within 14 hours. But that is just a wild guess and food for thought. In no way can anyone deduct how much ZEN has been bought or estimate the approximate revenue in that time frame.
Oh, I thought this is obvious.
I just wanted to point out that, regardless of how many you want to buy, it takes at the moment about 14 hours.
and we also know that within 14 hours 900k ZEN were sold. As I expect that someone who plays the ADX has already sold his ZEN 2 weeks ago when the 500 were hit I suspect that most of these 900k ZEN were created through $$$ within 14 hours. But that is just a wild guess and food for thought. In no way can anyone deduct how much ZEN has been bought or estimate the approximate revenue in that time frame.
I find it hard to believe that they truly generate 900K in $ Zen sales every 14 hours. If they are, they should be able to hire an army of developers to work on content and fix bugs, so why on earth screw with coalescent wards and throw the market into turmoil.
I find it hard to believe that they truly generate 900K in $ Zen sales every 14 hours. If they are, they should be able to hire an army of developers to work on content and fix bugs, so why on earth screw with coalescent wards and throw the market into turmoil.
The coal wards and the fact that they need to hire more developers are two different topics.
I agree on hiring more devs, I disagree on the coal wards being fine the way they were (due to tens of millions of underground trading, AH manipulation and other stuff that people with less than 50mil diamonds would not be able to grasp)
The coal wards and the fact that they need to hire more developers are two different topics.
Well yes, but if they really are generating over $1M every day, then they are doing extremely well and I would find it hard to believe they would mess with coalescent wards if that were in fact true. You don't mess with the secret sauce if and try to solve problems that don't exist if everything is copacetic. Likewise if they are generating over $1M a day, finding funds for more developers should not be a problem at all.... Hell, their biggest problem should be finding enough available Yachts and Ferrari's for the team.
Your missing the point , It takes less then a day to get your AD switched to Zen . The market is fine , it will eventually come down once people stop buying the new zen stuff . People are still buying zen and using the exchange to buy AD . There has been allot of new zen stuff . Plus crafter bag extra item which always jacks up zen market even after there was plenty of the snake lady companion. The chicken might help balance it out faster .
Heh some people impatiently put up some ad for offer and raised the balance. A shame since if they all waited, it would have gone down a lot faster since the offers at 500 were depleting and the lower offers didn't hold as much ad. Saying the market is fine is a little short sighted when before this event it was getting increasingly harder to get zen instead of easier.
I find it hard to believe that they truly generate 900K in $ Zen sales every 14 hours. If they are, they should be able to hire an army of developers to work on content and fix bugs, so why on earth screw with coalescent wards and throw the market into turmoil.
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Makes on wonder if the current Z shortage might not be a problem of the free market in the first place.
Another thing ... I would seriously consider spendind money again on a game, if, after I invested ~200$ into equipment (e.g. make a vorpal & SF or buy armor) to make a toon playable, on the next day someone might decide to change the rules of the game and make said character useless. Like they might have done with the GF and last years bulwark "adjustment". And now the KC set.
I mean, you invest 160$ into making a vorpal and tomorrow someone might say "We decided that Vorpal was overpowered, we toned it down a bit. It is now more efficient to attack your enemy with a wet fish."
5 Jun 2014 22:37 292 Purchased 1
There were about 900k ZEN requested at the time of me bidding for it.
It already takes a free2play person an incredible amount of extra time to be competitive than someone that pays cash. For someone that player the game for the PVP and only occasionally PVEs, it is impossible to ever be competitive without paying any real world cash.
As the game continues on, the difference betwen those that spend real world cash and the free players becomes greater and greater because of the inflation of AD. At some point in time, there would be no sense for a potential new player to ever consider playing the game, because they will always be better off playing a pay-to-play game. Why would someone start playing a free2play when they know ahead of time that spending cash is required to be on equal footing as other players.
What people don't understand, I think, is that the buy/sell pool is first-in, first-out.
So, if you offer to buy Zen and there is already a buy pool of 1000AD your AD will not sell until that first 1000 AD sells and it's your turn. It is literally first-come, first-served. The pools to buy are queued. So it makes sense that buying even one Zen Point can take that long, because all the other buy orders before you have to be handled before yours is.
This is the primary reason why I do not spend money in game. Everything about my account and characters are 1) Cryptic's property and they can 2) do whatever they want to it.
On the bright side, the ZAX Buy side is diminishing. Hopefully this Anniversary AD sink (err, event) can get us back to normal.
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Right now looking at the best guesses for the chance of the different companions and the current prices of the possible companions from the egg and the enchants, it seems possible to make (on average) a reasonable amount of AD out of this. Which of course a lot of people with large amounts of spare AD will take advantage off.
On the plus side this means that AD will be removed from the economy twice - once by the straight out purchase of eggs, and secondly by the AH cuts.
On the minus side the people who are most likely to benefit are those with large amounts of AD already (say at least 10-20 million AD, preferably nearer 50 million) who can afford to buy a lot of eggs to even out the RNG.
So the ZEN rate should be lowered (The amount of Zen Requested at 500 AD went from 1.5 million a couple of days ago to a quarter of that right now) and the economy should hopefully function better as a result. However, those who will benefit the most are those are already the best off....
I just wanted to point out that, regardless of how many you want to buy, it takes at the moment about 14 hours.
and we also know that within 14 hours 900k ZEN were sold. As I expect that someone who plays the ADX has already sold his ZEN 2 weeks ago when the 500 were hit I suspect that most of these 900k ZEN were created through $$$ within 14 hours. But that is just a wild guess and food for thought. In no way can anyone deduct how much ZEN has been bought or estimate the approximate revenue in that time frame.
I find it hard to believe that they truly generate 900K in $ Zen sales every 14 hours. If they are, they should be able to hire an army of developers to work on content and fix bugs, so why on earth screw with coalescent wards and throw the market into turmoil.
The coal wards and the fact that they need to hire more developers are two different topics.
I agree on hiring more devs, I disagree on the coal wards being fine the way they were (due to tens of millions of underground trading, AH manipulation and other stuff that people with less than 50mil diamonds would not be able to grasp)
Well yes, but if they really are generating over $1M every day, then they are doing extremely well and I would find it hard to believe they would mess with coalescent wards if that were in fact true. You don't mess with the secret sauce if and try to solve problems that don't exist if everything is copacetic. Likewise if they are generating over $1M a day, finding funds for more developers should not be a problem at all.... Hell, their biggest problem should be finding enough available Yachts and Ferrari's for the team.
900k zen is some 80k$ or 75k euros not 900k
Yeah, your right. I don't buy zen. I forgot about the conversion factor.