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forumnamesarelam
Member Posts: 126 Bounty Hunter
Needs to be rebalanced. We're back to the same situation as before the Student of the Sword nerf, I would suggest nerfing the armor reduction to about the same level as SotS to make both the enchant and the feat viable in a build as well as maintain the original intention of the SotS nerf.
Thanks.
edit: To clarify, people have gone from running SotS + P.Vorpal to running G.Plague Fire + Destroyers Purpose, which is basically the same result. The only major difference is a few feat point distribution. I suppose GWF's are slightly squishier, but not really.
The new combination is actually better than the old combination by a fair bit to be honest since the damage boost is really consistent.
So yes, I am advocating for a GWF nerf in a round about way - but I don't think the problem is with the class feats, but with this equipment combination. If G.Plague fire was knocked down to being similar to SotS, then I think the original intention of the changes made in mod 3 would be preserved.
Thanks.
edit: To clarify, people have gone from running SotS + P.Vorpal to running G.Plague Fire + Destroyers Purpose, which is basically the same result. The only major difference is a few feat point distribution. I suppose GWF's are slightly squishier, but not really.
The new combination is actually better than the old combination by a fair bit to be honest since the damage boost is really consistent.
So yes, I am advocating for a GWF nerf in a round about way - but I don't think the problem is with the class feats, but with this equipment combination. If G.Plague fire was knocked down to being similar to SotS, then I think the original intention of the changes made in mod 3 would be preserved.
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Whatever you perceive to be OP in terms of damage with that setting, it's not the enchantment. It's the class.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
You are wrong.
Sorry. 9%.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Greater Plague against players is equivalent to less than -7 ignore resistance regardless of the receiving player's defense stat. Why wouldn't GWFs just use bronzewood? It's the added utility of the enchant.
Whether the Greater Plague + Destroyer's Purpose has the same dps as Perfect Vorpal pre-mod3 depends on what class is being hit. Against the squisher classes the damage is almost the same, depending on crit chance. The difference is, the player HAS to put 21 points into destroyer, before they needed 5.
Making Greater Plague in line with SotS to maintain the original intention of the SotS nerf? Your comparing a weapon enchant that any class can use with a class specific feat.
Personally if Greater Plague was nerfed to a constant -5% damage resistance only applied to the user I'd still use it on my GWF. But it would just be stupid and pointless and would make it useless in PVE.
It's already stupid and pointless in PvE, so there isn't any loss here except for being OP in PvP.
You're a fool if you don't understand debuff stacking.
you must be new here.
Btw, I disagree. Greater plague fire is one of the few decent weapon enchants there is for pvp, and I mean few (like, 2 basically).
In pve, its a flat dmg boost of 3% per stack.
But with actually defense reduction in pvp, what are the numbers? Thx :-)
Great synergy with the entire team. Effectively raising ALL of the party's damage by almost 10%, that's quite good. Although as a PvP 1vs1 tool, not entirely so. The general build paradigm currently focuses on 1vs1/duelist builds and unless you've got some serious debuff stacking like CWs, that 9% won't be too noticeable.
TRs could also focus on this with a real, dedicated defense debuff build -- in which case, although lower in damage spiking than Vorpals, the average, general DPS IIRC is actually higher. Unfortunately, a minor build in PvP and not really too popular.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
It does what it says it does, which is up to 45% defense reduction. Defense is only one aspect of damage resistance though, and also against a target with high defense, plague fire will do less since even when dropped by 45%, their defense could still be in diminishing returns territory.
Basically people are running with 20-40% DR from defense (they also get it from teancity which is unaffected by plague fire). Figure on cutting that by roughly 7-9%.