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schweifer1982
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Hehe DPS test GWF Full Destoryer P.V P.Enchants Bis Companions 19k GS 11k power 4k rec 4k crit max arp
I can hit 90-100 k IBS and ? where is my dmg?
Can any one explain it?
MY Fun is ower what can i do now ? Only PVP the one and only option left ?
I think in pve is now official CWillalwaysrulewinter.
CN full run
1 DC 3 CW 1 GWF "destro"
First DPS score 30 mill (16k GS)
Second 26mill (15k GS)
Third 12mill (13 K GS not using Stone or cat)
ME 7,8 mill
DC dont count
But feel free to explain this for me before mod 3 our dmg was almost good as cw ,
And some of us can even fill the role of tank.
But now Sent sux cant tank and deal half dmg vs Destro. Destro cant tank too .
So our new role in nw is stay out of pve kill CWs in pvp? (mybe this is only revenge what TR/HR/GF/GWF have cuz mode 3 killed all 4 class in pve)
What a hell is happening to my char DG nerf is TOO BIG -200% nerf to our dps .
I can hit 90-100 k IBS and ? where is my dmg?
Can any one explain it?
MY Fun is ower what can i do now ? Only PVP the one and only option left ?
I think in pve is now official CWillalwaysrulewinter.
CN full run
1 DC 3 CW 1 GWF "destro"
First DPS score 30 mill (16k GS)
Second 26mill (15k GS)
Third 12mill (13 K GS not using Stone or cat)
ME 7,8 mill
DC dont count
But feel free to explain this for me before mod 3 our dmg was almost good as cw ,
And some of us can even fill the role of tank.
But now Sent sux cant tank and deal half dmg vs Destro. Destro cant tank too .
So our new role in nw is stay out of pve kill CWs in pvp? (mybe this is only revenge what TR/HR/GF/GWF have cuz mode 3 killed all 4 class in pve)
What a hell is happening to my char DG nerf is TOO BIG -200% nerf to our dps .
GWF 3700Ilvl Éjsötét & ProPala 3200Ilvl Menydörgés (main) & Szürkefarkas 2600 ilvl
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Please more damage to the GWF. I feel my 25K+ damage regular combo is kinda lacking.
but seriously; damage cw, unlike gwf, is not official. then give time for the true hegemony of the game - pve cw - end.
ps: use battle fury:rolleyes:
CRAZY MIKE - 14.6k PvE CW
Backbone - 16.7k PvP HR
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I can tank Draco with my Destro just fine!
And I can keep up with CWs with same gear in CN w/o the help of a bugged DOT feat!
Maybe more careness on being unstopable!
More damage?
My guildie with an average Gwf just did 130k+ IBS on Remorhaz!
First before scribe read .
Second hitting on remo 130k is not much cuz multi debuff from 30 or more ppl. Multiple the dmg too.
I have zero problem in solo dmg but the hell draco have aoe he dont even move stay in one spot and have random encounters
how can y say this "have zero problem tanking draco" You are tanking adds? Tank somthing whit single target dmg ?
Any tr can do this . Tank 10-20 adds from cw NOW this is what i call tanking.
Bah why do i care .
I try battle fury icrease the dmg lets say 10 % great skill
I am better if i use roar or resoring strike .
+i am feated to battle fury "last longer" 1 restoring strike 20-30k can out dps battle fury
As i say in my original post we are all in a same boat .
In the end of CN the 3 guy saw me my gear and laughted on me even the 13 k cw with angel lol(no bounding runstone).
They say next time they bring 4 cw .
The only last class remain in pve is DC but can be easly replaced by wonderfull 30mill dmg CW.
This is not rigth . And know what Cws have 50% of they skill no armor pen hehe.Imagine if devs fix it . By the way one of the cw guys with second on dps 26 mill have 37 k hp .
The problem isn't that GWFs are weak. The problem is CWs are too strong, and are apparently being redone by the devs this very moment.
.....you will never approach a CWs damage in a mass mob situation regardless of what the devs do...
Here let me show you... (simplified)
GWF: does 100 damage to ONE mob...
CW: Does 50 damage to 10 mobs...
Paingiver:
CW: 500 damage
GWF: 100 damage
Now lets say Devs Nerf CW damage by 20%.... Same Scenario...
GWF: does 100 damage to ONE mob
CW does 40 damage to 10 mobs.
Paingiver:
CW: 400 damage
GWF: 100 damage
You're NEVER going to even get within sniffing range of a good CW regardless of your gear score OR how much Devs Nerf them in ANY mass mob situation... For you to even get within sniffing distance of the damage he's going to be doing when there's hundreds of Mobs around they'd have to Nerf CW damage by at LEAST 80%.
And that's not going to happen....
CWs are designed to Damage craptons of mobs at once... you're designed to damage... well... ONE by a LOT. So you really are outdamaging him... but he's ALWAYS going to be kicking your butt in paingiver no matter HOW you slice it or how much the Devs Nerf them.
You're going to lose... BADLY... whenever there's a crapton of mobs in a tight compact space... you're going to lose no matter what you do.
CWs are designed to take on Armies... you're designed for single combat.
From official wiki site :
"The Great Weapon Fighter is an unstoppable force of damage and steel, skilled in using the weight of a greatsword to dispatch those that stand in the way. The epitome of strength, the Great Weapon Fighter is also resilient enough to defend allies in need."
This class relies on brute strength alone to overcome the enemies. They are warriors who sacrifice shields in favor of large two-handed weapons. While mainly being an offensive class, Great Weapon Fighters still have considerable defense by carrying scale armour.
When fighting the main bosses in dungeons, usually the best role for the Great Weapon Fighter is to focus on killing the adds. The only times a Great Weapon Fighter should focus on hitting the main boss is if all the adds are dead, the boss has very few hit points left, there is insufficient other dps, or if the boss and adds can be caught in the same area attack.
Anyway, CN is a paradise for the CWs due to the number of adds, if they go to DK i.e they are very far of the first position even in parties where they are not supposed to control adds.
PD: BF is good for a support GWF which also use gpf or terror in order to debuff adds and buff the party members damage, good option for a 12k-15k gwf, those above 15k with 10k+ power are better as full dps with pvorpal.
I thought this would be about CWs in heroic encounters, because that **** needs something done about it STAT.
Deep Gash was retardedly broken.
IBS do more damage than TRs shocking execution!
Now not just Sentinel but Destro is a beast in pvp too. Killing others in one rotation.
I can keep up with CWs in CN. Maybe you should raise power, utilize roar, destroyer purpose and be in unstopable more often! Try plaguefire instead vorpal! Try the new buffed feats!
There are also good builds in the barrack section!
If Gwfs come with their old mod2 build and style and wait for the same dps in mod3 w/o any change they will have a suprise!
You have to play differently with Gwfs now instead of running like mad and put the broken deep gash to everyone...
READ THE POST before y post stupid things.
If it's VT/MC however, the GWF will very likely out DPS the CW, also provided he knows what he's doing and equipping.
I will not explain how the bf has worked for not generating mimimi ; Take a look with more affection .
ps : I agree with kozi . you will need to adapt, limit your gameplay, but it gives rise to its standard damage (not utility/ tankness). and say by the way, bring more than one gwf is counter productive now.
The only point I disagree in general is this fixation with ibs . this encounter just hit really , really strong like " wow , that hurt to me." when the enemy is nearly dead .
two notes were said about the style executioner in the feedback thread .
the first was that it is a "fake paingiver " , since it only increases the damage truly in the moment when the enemy is already to die . has no real value . it's just a fetish for high numbers ( and I have this fetish ... hahah )
the second is that a lot of people that do not like the idea gwf works eventually get a strong ibs in pvp and then deduced the pattern damage of class ( said with more than a month in thread... I must be medium or people of the forum are predictable ) .
hence all kinds of stupidity and profiteers that you see around in forum. has some 500 topics nerf to gwf there. I will not comment on all. one was enough .
but already the moderator is not erasing "nerf threads", it's good to keep these for purposes of reality shock. dps in general are on the same level in pvp (as it should be). was to be even more flush, but a campaign nerfs undermined the potential of A or b.
is now, if the rogue / ranger has no space pve (now also include the gf) blame the cw.
ah,Napalm In The Morning. hahah
How the hell can you be that thick??
What makes you think you will EVER be able to beat a CW in a mass mob situation when they're damaging 10 targets to your ONE target because the class is entirely designed around AoEs... here let me repost for you again...
MAYBE... you can think this through... maybe... it will sink in... MAYBE you'll FINALLY understand why there's NO WAY IN HELL you're ever going to get within sniffing distance of a Good CW in ANY mass mob situation....
GWF: does 100 damage to ONE mob...
CW: Does 50 damage to 10 mobs...
Paingiver:
CW: 500 damage
GWF: 100 damage
Now lets say Devs Nerf CW damage by 20%.... Same Scenario...
GWF: does 100 damage to ONE mob
CW does 40 damage to 10 mobs.
Paingiver:
CW: 400 damage
GWF: 100 damage
PICK a number you want to Nerf them by you'll STILL lose in a mass mob situation... they're STILL going to do astronomical levels of damage compared to you. Because the class is packed with AoEs. The more mobs there are the HIGHER that damage is going to go... conversely...
The reverse is ALSO true.... the fewer mobs there are the lower that damage will go....
You were designed for single combat against maybe a few mobs at best, he's designed to take on armies... you can hit REALLY hard on ONE target.... he hits for medium damage on a LOT of targets. You will NEVER be able to beat him at what he's designed for.
......EVER... no matter HOW much the devs nerf them, he's STILL going to hand you your rear end..... EVERY time in a mass mob situation.
Because he's an AoE Specialist... you are not. He's designed for it... you aren't.
in the first case (single), the balance would be due to that we need the "aoe" to generate our single damage. but the rogue itself lost a little the hand..
the real problem of cw - seriously now, and not pretending a hatred for the class that I actually dont have - is that the explosion damage is high + class synergy it with others of the same class.
1 cw alone is not a problem.
I AGREE but i dont think just GWF they must buff all GWF HR GF TR and even DC s DMG by 30-40% .
Not just one an then they shoud nerf CW by 40% -dmg then mybe we are equal but i am 100% sure CWs will ower dps all class agan no matter nerf or buff other classes.
Mybe if this will be done, we will not have Grand Canyon between our dps aganst CW.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
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If you're PvP specced and you expect to be "high DPS" in PvE, then good luck have fun.
LOL i have more then 150% boost dmg on my skills and at-wills +148 % boost on my critt but sure i am specced to pvp .
CWs won't be getting any damage nerf anytime soon. Because it won't affect anything.... or change any game balance, and you're already doing about double the damage he does per target.
In fact if you can come even remotely close to a CW in an AoE situation, since he's damaging 10 targets to your ONE target... YOU'RE the one likely to be nerfed.
If he's going 10 damage to 10 targets...... and you're doing 100 damage to ONE target... it will mean your damage is so far off the scale and out of balance comparatively... that class would soon be nerfed into the ground.
So I wouldn't push this...
ie part of the "damage gwf" is actually cw damage... yeah...
so ... without demagoguery here.
the fact is: the way buffs are calculated gwf become sensitive to external buffs. the gwf in pve is nothing more than a pit bull on a cw / dc leash .