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areeeareee Member Posts: 73 Arc User
edited April 2014 in PvE Discussion
How many of you read that all important reward and was completely, totally, ... underwhelmed.


IF you could use a bunch of skills
IF maxing a skill made a huge difference
IF you only got poor skills as a first time player

It MIGHT make you happy.

otherwise it's like... wtf?

At least in my opinion. I've been waiting for the update. All the ideas in my head over how post 60 exp gain would be used.
I can honestly say that even my worst ideas were totally blown out of the water by this.
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  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well, there are powers that I've skipped after I leveled to 60 AND respecced once already, and now am kinda interested in revisiting - this would provide one avenue to do that. It'd also provide a way for people who want to dabble in PvP, to get some skills that are useful for PvP, but not so much for PvE, without having to make sacrifices, (or visa-versa).
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  • areeeareee Member Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Meh.

    I'd prefer 10 rating points.
    4000 max
    500 max on a single rating

    On all the ratings, not just the favorite.
    Companion Influence, Combat Advantage Bonus, Gold Gain, Stamina/Guard Gain, Power, all of them.

    So you could max out 500 on 8 of them or put some into everything for a more even build.

    It'd be tied into an epic buff, let people see just how epic you are by hovering the mouse over it.
  • qutsemniequtsemnie Member Posts: 419 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Flexibility is nice. I am looking forward to maxing out my encounter page. I haven't seen a budget for GF that gets everything I use or would want to use in every situation. Sacrifices had to be made.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    The point wasn't to make a ground-breaking new mechanic.

    The point was to temporarily at least give SOME reward for post-60 advancement while they go on and do module 4
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The point wasn't to make a ground-breaking new mechanic.

    The point was to temporarily at least give SOME reward for post-60 advancement while they go on and do module 4

    Plus, you already get stat improvement via boons... so something different makes more sense.
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  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Im less concerned about the extra points, and more concerned about the total randomness of it all.

    The way the current system is implemented, you dont get a choice. You level up and the system randomly rewards you one of the prizes, like a lockbox. Put simply, you will have to level a ton before you ever see all 20 points.
  • qutsemniequtsemnie Member Posts: 419 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Eww yucky.
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  • skalt112skalt112 Member Posts: 1,089 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    magenubbie wrote: »
    The only question I have is why are they doing this?
    With the current no of points we're able to create a good build for either PvP or PvE. As a result of that we do a little worse in the other "sector" so to speak. We don't suck and we can do it, we're just not optimal for it. Do people realize that, assuming the max points per skill remains at 3, 20 more points will result in maxing all but 1 (!!!) skill??

    Are there that many PvP players that desperately want to PvE as efficiently as they PvP? And vise versa? Somehow I find that very hard to believe. PvP people historically don't PvE unless they need AD and they generally have enough of that since they are the biggest zen buyers. PvE people generally wouldn't touch PvP with 50ft tweezers. Nobody doubts about that.

    So.. Why??

    Could possibly be a prelude to duel specing.
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  • mattrebmattreb Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Im kinda against those power point rewards because i really like build-based games where you have to make a choice, that makes you different from the others... I dont want this game to go TERA-style, where you unlock all the skills with golds and everyone is the same :(

    also..
    bioshrike wrote: »
    [...]and now am kinda interested in revisiting[...]
    look closely, this isnt revising, this is filling the gaps...
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mattreb wrote: »
    Im kinda against those power point rewards because i really like build-based games where you have to make a choice, that makes you different from the others... I dont want this game to go TERA-style, where you unlock all the skills with golds and everyone is the same :(

    also..

    look closely, this isnt revising, this is filling the gaps...

    It's a matter of perspective. To me, it's "revisiting" because my current build had to sacrifice powers I, at the time, thought were less important to said build. Now, I can take those powers and see if I can get something else to work, without having to give up the fall-back position I'm used to...
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  • godhricgodhric Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 437 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    Idk why you guys are refusing a benefit ... because of some silly 'traditional' mindset?
    I for one am so happy with this, so my char can have much more flexibility without really being too non-unique, because let's face it... the feats are the only real distinguisher from the rest
  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Before we can slot more powers, extra power points doesn't make much difference. Why? It's pointless that you get more powers but can't use them when you need them.

    Swapping powers frequently is a big turn down. So before we have a solution, such as shared power slots, extra power points isn't going to be very helpful.
  • godhricgodhric Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 437 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    Yea.. it's only gonna provide more option while preparing for the upcoming battle...
    If they're gonna add more feat points (which is active the whole time), now that's what i call trouble.
  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Some people find anything to complain about.

    Geez, they're giving you 20 free power points!

    *hugs Cryptic* Thanks, guys! You shouldn't have!
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  • oicidrazoicidraz Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lol... 20 power points seems too much for me, maybe 9 would be ok so you end with 70 power points... I think they are adding stuff that isn't needed while there are other aspects of the game that are broken.
  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    oicidraz wrote: »
    Lol... 20 power points seems too much for me, maybe 9 would be ok so you end with 70 power points... I think they are adding stuff that isn't needed while there are other aspects of the game that are broken.

    It really isn't too relevant, too be honest. It's very generous of them, true. But I have 11 characters (3 mains), and I've never been short an Power Points at all.
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  • arcmoon99arcmoon99 Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    How can you complain about something free? It's like somebody giving you a present and you saying, "This isn't good enough, bring me something better."

    I for one am happy that cryptic is adding in these 20 free power points. Why? because I couldn't get 20 free power points before. Be grateful that you guys are getting anything for excess XP.

    Tyvm Cryptic, much love.
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    arcmoon99 wrote: »
    How can you complain about something free? It's like somebody giving you a present and you saying, "This isn't good enough, bring me something better."

    I for one am happy that cryptic is adding in these 20 free power points. Why? because I couldn't get 20 free power points before. Be grateful that you guys are getting anything for excess XP.

    Tyvm Cryptic, much love.

    Agreed. We're getting something that wont make a gamebreaking difference. We'lll at least get something out of levelling up. A little extra flexibility and not being forced into the same skills if you wanna try something new unless you wanna buy a respec token. You do also get some other stuff, I for one welcome the change.
  • oicidrazoicidraz Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    arcmoon99 wrote: »
    How can you complain about something free? It's like somebody giving you a present and you saying, "This isn't good enough, bring me something better."

    I for one am happy that cryptic is adding in these 20 free power points. Why? because I couldn't get 20 free power points before. Be grateful that you guys are getting anything for excess XP.

    Tyvm Cryptic, much love.

    I don't how to explain, I find it's kinda a fan service?... I know it's something free, but if they gave you like 20 feats points free wouldn't you complain?... there's a point in which a free gift help and other than it start to change the game mechanic, I know 20 power points isn't doing that because power points aren't so important in this game, but I kinda find it's a lot and now the only difference between builds will be the feats...
  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well, I guess you guys are referring to what I posted. Actually that's not a complain, that's just an expression of a small disappointment.

    Imagine when you need to use Entangling Force or Repel and it isn't one of your slotted powers and you can understand what I'm trying to convey.

    Free extra power points surely is a benefit. Just our so limited power slots seriously restrict the degree of the benefit.
  • tittlemcgrittletittlemcgrittle Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    oicidraz wrote: »
    I don't how to explain, it's like a fan service... I know it's something free, but if they gave you like 20 feats points free wouldn't you complain?... there's a point in which a free gift help and other than it start to change the game mechanic, I know 20 power points isn't doing that because power points aren't so important in this game, but I kinda find it's a lot and now the only difference between builds will be feats...

    I tend to agree with Trace on this, basically you don't really change that much since you can only have 2 class features/3 encounters/2 daily's/2 at-wills at a time. All this does is give you access to all your skills without really buffing you, just giving you more versatility.
  • psyb3rtr011psyb3rtr011 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    arcmoon99 wrote: »
    How can you complain about something free? It's like somebody giving you a present and you saying, "This isn't good enough, bring me something better."

    I for one am happy that cryptic is adding in these 20 free power points. Why? because I couldn't get 20 free power points before. Be grateful that you guys are getting anything for excess XP.

    Tyvm Cryptic, much love.

    To quote my old Sergeant Major when I was in the Army, "If the troops aren't complaining, they aren't happy!"

    I have seen this mentality time and time again. People who get stationed in Germany while in the Military, and who complain about how much it sucks, and stay on base the whole time, instead of going out and seeing the Castles and Churches, drinking the Wines and Beers, enjoying the Food, Skiing the Mountains, etc.

    I learned a long time ago, to just laugh inside, and ignore them. They do it to crave attention.
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  • demonkyuubidemonkyuubi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    as a rogue, i can't even imagine using 10 points let alone 20. i mean.....how can u actually need that many at-wills/encounters/features/dailies? all of my skills for pve and pvp are covered with a mere 33 points and the rest was just extra/filler. my cleric actually did need most of the default points but that's only because clerics r given several buffs/debuffs on top of needing to dps for campaigns and healing for dungeons.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    arcmoon99 wrote: »
    How can you complain about something free? It's like somebody giving you a present and you saying, "This isn't good enough, bring me something better."

    I for one am happy that cryptic is adding in these 20 free power points. Why? because I couldn't get 20 free power points before. Be grateful that you guys are getting anything for excess XP.

    Tyvm Cryptic, much love.

    I don't know.....some people just need something to complain about without good reason I guess.

    There is nothing wrong with this feature, there is nothing gamebreaking about it (it doesn't affect feats).
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Some people find anything to complain about.

    Geez, they're giving you 20 free power points!

    *hugs Cryptic* Thanks, guys! You shouldn't have!

    I agree with this , I'm usually the first to complain when they screw up but I think this is a good thing , if they had given us a way to get extra feat points though , now that would have screwed the system up .
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  • williep30williep30 Member Posts: 773 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    Well, I guess you guys are referring to what I posted. Actually that's not a complain, that's just an expression of a small disappointment.

    Imagine when you need to use Entangling Force or Repel and it isn't one of your slotted powers and you can understand what I'm trying to convey.

    Free extra power points surely is a benefit. Just our so limited power slots seriously restrict the degree of the benefit.

    You do know we get 4 right :P. Just teasing. Hey, I wish CWs had more power slots, but then this game isn't like WoW or any other game. We cant slot a dozen powers to our keyboard, so we have to make due.
    I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
  • dyesleedyeslee Member Posts: 307 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If maxed 3/3:
    2 dailies = 6 pts
    3 encounter powers = 9 pts
    2 at wills = 6 pts
    2 feats = 6 pts
    Total: 27 pts.
    Leftover points (because we have to) spent to unlock the primary wanted above and rest are either dump points or used to open 1 or 2 extra for w/e reasons or purely situational.. (due to maximum allowed on action bar)

    OK the 20 extra points can be seen as useful and not so useful...
    1. some may see this as a waste due to they may only PVE and dont intend on using other powers, for any reasons of their choice because of the following:

    A. Paragon path not spec'd to maximize all the extra power, feat or dailies that can be unlocked now
    B. one or more the above mentioned dont help maximize their characters abilities as Healz, DPS, Tanking or Control so why bother unlocking a power that is not improved in paragon tree.
    C. Limited amount of slots on action bar so no point in using the extra points on them if you cant use them quickly while in combat
    D. or like me who to this day still have 3-4 points that I havent used because of the above.

    2. Now for those who might find use for 20 extra points: (which i still think is a bit overboard)
    A. Player may use 2 ocmpletely different setups of Encounter, daily, at will powers and Feats (1 for PVE, 1 for PVP??)
    B. for Testing purposes??? oh hey we got a preview server for that :)
    C. Has lots of Zen to constantly respec to try the new power they have put points into and willing to burn 300 Zen per retrain.. oh hey again.. preview server, free retraining
    C. well thats the only ideas i can think of

    Now for what would be more useful? math first :) 20 points means 20 times you have to hit the 250K xp mark.. so instead:
    A. Per 4 times 250K xp mark capped, give 1 Paragon Feat point, allow to be a given choice of Heroic or Paragon (per 4 / 20 caps = 5 total heroic or paragon feats)
    B. reduce to 10 points instead of 20.. Make it per 2 times 250K xp capped
    C. Per 250K, gift player with Ardent coin instead.. 20 more coins is 20 days less to get to arch angel Companion or other purchasable items.
    D. PWE is planning on expanding our levels beyond 60 and giving us more powers, special feats, encounters, and at-wills to choose from in the future?? (only alternative i can truly think of why they are doing this early??)

    These are just a couple of more useful ideas for the 250K xp cap 20 times idea instead of a total 81 powers tree points.
    Feel free to expand on these ideas and ponder :)
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  • lionmaruu0lionmaruu0 Member Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Having all skills maxed is a HUGE improvement for some classes as it makes the character much much more flexible, it's the best thing ever on the new lvl 60 xp reward IMO.

    I have one of each class maxed and on descent gear, I played them all and I think all of them can benefit from extra power points, nevermind that you can use them all at once. they are usefull. I just hope they come easily and don't make a impossible grind out of it.
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