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zaodonn
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As everyone knows, the Elo system doesn't work.
5 brand new level 60s in blue gear who have never played any PvP matches (no elo rank) are being matched against a 5-man premade Elite guild group with all Rank 10s/Perfects.
And not just occasionally, but every single match. Yesterday I played 30 matches, and all 30 had this problem. 5 low gear/new players vs 5 elite players (sometimes premade, sometimes pugs).
Please fix the Elo system, as it is horribly broken atm.
5 brand new level 60s in blue gear who have never played any PvP matches (no elo rank) are being matched against a 5-man premade Elite guild group with all Rank 10s/Perfects.
And not just occasionally, but every single match. Yesterday I played 30 matches, and all 30 had this problem. 5 low gear/new players vs 5 elite players (sometimes premade, sometimes pugs).
Please fix the Elo system, as it is horribly broken atm.
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Pheryllt - 13.8k HR
Ginko - 10.3k DC
Puzzl Bochs - lvl38 CW
It is more on a win loss equation so the issue you are describing is more along the lines that the "elite players" haven't done enough matches to get properly ranked.
This is likely how it is. That is how a normal Elo system works.
Thing is everybody stats at the same place so it will take time to get players where they need to be.
Players with 100s of matches (since Elo came out) are ABSOLUTELY being put up against new 60s in blue gear with no elo ranking.
Gear Score is not a skill rating.
Plus in order to get the players spread out more the restrictions are a bit more relaxed to reduce the initial queue times. Those will be tightened again as the player rankings mature.
All of this was expected. -.-
a-1 or 2 full skilled 25-0 type player :mad:
b- 2 x Avarage :rolleyes:
c-1x or 2x Total newbie
You can count yourself full skilled :cool: but main tactic should be avoid that full skilled ones if gwf or GF ambush them if other classes, you can easly manage win match if you detect who comes from which range skill.
Disregarding the fact that ELO doesn't work according to GS, I sincerely doubt that would ever be the case. In the premades I run with my guild, we don't want to run into PUGs any more than you want to run into us. There is no fun in doing nothing, waiting for the game to finish while you hang out in spawn.
I believe the problem is the amount of players of similar high ranking. If I had to guess what happened I would think one of the ways they implemented to help decrease matchmaking time was by widening the gap of who can be paired with who based on rankings. Generally most of my matches are balanced, but sometimes you do get blowout matches. I believe in those cases there just aren't enough people q-ing that are around your rank, so the system settles for pairing a "not so even" match to help avoid the crazy long que time.
That is just a random speculation though.
I also believe it has to do with people still just joining the system or not having played enough matches for it to recognize how skilled they are. Maybe people are logging on alts to pvp on the system that haven't been used on it yet or people were on vacation/took a break and are just coming back.
Who knows. Ultimately the matchmaking system does a good job of relatively pairing up teams of similar skill most of the time. It is definitely better than pre-elo even if its not perfect.
Also when I solo queued I got in match with a few known PvPers and we had a very close nice match, which was pretty cool, since almost all my previous solo queues were either with pugs with all kinds of skill level (but no PvPers), or full enemy premades which never had any challenge whatsoever.
So overall, some nice games today. Not yet sure if luck or ELO functioning better, but I was pleasantly surprised to be put in a match with actual PvPers instead of pugs when I solo queued, and that the queue fed our premade only other premades and not pugs.
Pretty sure my PUG group came up against 4 of you, and that horrible HR
My experiences have been all over the map really. Still going against full/near-full pre-mades occasionally when I solo que and players range from 8k to 17k GS. I still go with the cryptic tuned down the matchmaking to where ELO barely accounts for anything theory :P
Oh yeah I think we ran into each other
The match I was talking about was a full premade we went against while we were 4 and got the baddie HR. To make things worse one of out GWFs DCed for like 5 mins but was able to return and we still won.
The Elo System is designed to judge skill, not gear score. That is how an Elo system works. If you look up the Elo System you will find no reference to gear scores.
As such even in PvE I have described players either being able to outplay their gear score or use gear to compensate for a lack of playskill. You could have a person with 18K gear score be able to play only as well as a person is expected to play with 13K gear score and on the opposite side of the equation a person with 8K gear score could play as well as a person with 13K gear score.
Gear Score alone has never been and never will be a good way to judge skill.
Any claim that the system isn't working because of the gear scores of other players are simply not even in the realm of validated. In fact it is more likely that gear score plays no role than a small role which is why gear scores have absolutely no correlation to the functionality of the Elo System.
It could take quite a while for things to level out and that is all that is being shown by saying gear scores are weirdly mixed.