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So they fixed... nothing? again...
zankard
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How exactly did you fix the problem? Everyone is rolling around with the new stone they got for free.. This is ridiculous and you fixed nothing. A reasonable mind would think 'hey it's easy just delete all stones that don't belong into marked accounts, make the rest bound and that's it' but no the developers always have to disappoint us with their incompetence to problem solving. I'm a sucker, but no more. No more money from me. I'll just exploit whatever I find from now on as it seems that's the way this game is meant to be played..
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I completely agree with you.
enough!
Its not even that big of a deal nor game breaking.
Some people got a free green pet. So what?
Obviously you have no idea how a game works or how chars work - i have written extensive scripts back in the nwn1 days on the world we ran and the stone is stored on the toon object, which would need to be instantiated in memory to even begin to loop the toon, and all its storage. A huge source of lag was caused by any script that had to search toons and their bags/storage and such. Things like bank slots, guild banks are arrays that hold the actual objects. And based on how the objects are named, such scripts are error prone, a mis code and you empty a toon of everything or more than what you want... not code you would just whip out. While i could likely set the flag in the store with a simple db switch, removing the stones would be a whole new animal, and likely be a massive lag fest as every toon would need to be checked as the load.
Again, you could mark accounts, and maybe only run the cleaning script vs people that are not paid, but still a whole mess of work that could go toward other more important bugs - and yes i 'paid' for my stone. I do not care that plenty of people got free stones, because i will still get one on all my future toons, which is why i took advantage of the offer - i already had stones or cats on all my toons before I took advantage of this offer - and i still get to spend the zen so this stone is more or less free.
Now, as long as the dungeon que got fixed, then I am happy... i was more upset that i could not do a epic dd than what happened with the stones. it does not hurt me at all, in fact, it helps me because those people will now be a bit better if we ever run together.
I don't know about old nw1 days, but I work in IT for a living *today* and I know how database queries work. "A whole mess of work" as you say is just one query to the database. Run it, let it finish, done. Lag? Didn't they put down the servers again to fix this anyway... You make no sense sir.
I am surprised that anyone actually expected any punishments after the (lack of) action on numerous previous occasions.
Was on /Legit yesterday and I don't think there was a single person who thought Cryptic would carry out any punishments. There were some who hoped they might for the good of the community, but not sure whether there was anyone who actually believed that they would.
This is the only thing that really gets under my skin about the whole thing , yes it isn't game breaking and it is only a green pet and I agree more players having an augment make the parties I join the times I queue so much easier but when all is said and done this was a exploit that flooded the game with a companion that was never supposed to be flooded into the game , they are setting a dangerous prescience for any future exploits , how can they expect the playerbase to follow the ToS when the people running the game seem to follow the ToS only when it suits them .
I wasn't expecting any punishments. I was expecting a FIX. At least a partial fix. You can't punish people for using a game mechanic because you missed out covering a huge hole. Two words: damage control. They didn't.
Anyhow yeah there's no point in this. Just becoming a more 'experienced' player now and realizing how one 'wins' in this game. Exploit right away! Take care guys
I was one of those people who spent a lot of money and never got an e-mail. That is why all this complaining pisses me off so much. There are a lot of people who should have gotten the e-mail and didn't. So the whole thing has been broken from the start. You are no longer a special snow flake, get over it.
Yes, I have contacted customer support. >:(
Ironically it was also the people who "paid real money for it" that "exploited" the hell out of it and probably made a small fortune in some cases (the ones that were the first to start selling them).
So you can drop the act that everyone who paid money "for the stone" (another thing they didn't do, since it was a freebie to thank customers) was victimized.
You miss the point. If there were people that should have gotten in the promotion and didn't that's a whole different problem and I'm with you on that. I don't want to be a 'special snowflake'. I was just told into my face that I'm a sucker. Perhaps your situation also feels the same, again, I'm with you. it's not like this new stone wouldn't find it's way into the Zen store for everyone to buy anyway.. It's mostly about 2 things: Everyone getting for free something that was supposed to be a gift for people that paid, and second that this shows their policy is like 'you managed to exploit? good for you'. That's what pisses me off the most
so are you saying you think they store the stones in the database? are you talking about a the flag on your account to see if you should have a stone? I work in IT for a living - write SQL every day vs an erd with over 96 tables, so I am expert level database programmer, as well as the gambit of languages from COBOL to C# and Java. on top of the years of professional experience, I ran an NwN1 world that used Nwscript and wrote custom systems that were 1000s of lines of code. I created an api for their item system that allowed us to create almost any item with any property, outside the limitations of that system, like if you created an item with AC, you could not change the type of ac it was - shield was always a shield ac and a necklace was always natural ac...it was limitations placed in the object.
Your statements illustrate how little you know about how a game of this nature works. so you think when i log in, they query a database that returns all the properties of my toon, as well as all the items they have, and if that item has an enchant, and what lvl that enchant is and if the item has had a dye applied to it?
They store the pointer to the object that is my toon in a db so when i log in as that toon, they put the object in memory - the whole object. To find a stone, you would need to search that object once in memory... not anything via sql but walk the containers in the actual object.
Dude - do a little research - try to code a game and then come back and complain about how easy it would be to write the sql...
Hmm, and I seem to have double missed out. I've spent money on the game (at least $40), but didn't get the promotion. And I missed the whole "hey, everyone's selling stones!" So I still don't have any kind of augment pet on any of my characters.
Oh, well. /shrug
Let it go, folks. Life is too short.
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Look on the bright side, not even those with Hero of the North (or any of the other expensive) packs got the little "thank you", only those that were lucky enough to buy enough Zen at the right time.
Needless to say my sympathy for all the crying is rather low, it's not a big deal whatsoever - no economies were broken or any of the other hyperbole that some people are trying to sell.
Just a few e-peens got bruised, and in many cases they are already soothed because they made some major bank from this.
I don't really care about others exploiting it, like someone said, it's not game breaking.
And I would assume they wouldn't punish the exploiters, after all the mistake was on their part. If a bank screws up and gives me extra money and then I use it, they usually don't ask for it back later, because it was their mistake. I guess here it is the same.
But also keep in mind that it happened less than 24 hours ago, so they probably need some time to sit down, put some options on the table, then get to it. I'm sure we haven't seen the "final resolution" to this.
And besides, remember you could have waited a little, get 15% bonus ZEN, and still get the stone anyway. You know, just to rub salt in your wounds.
Actually, this isn't true. If you get money from a teller or an ATM, and they accidentally give you more than what they should have, they WILL ask for it back, and you're responsible for returning the money, or else you'll be arrested for stealing.
Absolutely correct. It has happened more often than you might think.