starkaosMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited March 2014
Used 22 Star Gauntlets today. 4 Aquamarines, 2 Shards, 1 Armor, 19 Peridots, and Enhancements, but sadly no Artifact. Also, the Armor should be from the Dungeon set instead of from the solo instances. Was a better run than most, but the RNG is insane on this artifact. Thankfully, only one character actually needs this, but there should be an easier method to get it. A guaranteed method of getting something is always better than the RNG method even if it costs 5 million AD on the Auction House.
It might take more days than the angel..... but it is a better reward.
This is absolutely false and shows that you have no idea of even elementary maths, and should refrain from posting.
Every day I invoke, I am a little closer to the angel. It is one coin less I need to buy it.
Every DR I run, I am not any closer to the eye. I still have the same chances of finding it the next day/week/month. I could run the lair for the rest of my life and still not get it.
i must be lucky since i got 2 Eyes in less 2 week and by doing just a few runs (no more than 60 runs since Dread ring came out)... Sadly, it's bound on pickup and it's only worth 7500 refining points.
level it up before using it for refining points, and you'll increase your bonus (as in, putting X points into the artifact and then using the artifact AS points gives you more points in total). It suffers from diminishing returns as the level increases, but is still worth doing. I think someone worked out that getting it to JUST below purple (so level 59) was about the most efficient state to reach before using for RP, since beyond that point you have to shell out a lot for reagents (purp potencies are not cheap).
I got an eye after about 20 or so tries. On the other hand, I haven't seen the SCA thief companion despite many, many more attempts. Random is random.
I think it's unfair that it's possible for 1 gauntlet to drop over the equivalent of just under 3 years play though. I say that since you can do it once per day but can have multiple toons or star gauntlets to do it more, but if you wanna do it for "free" (which it isn't since you had to pay for the **** things) on one toon, you can be very very unlucky, and that's just rng in this game overall, not just for the eye.
Now, the terrible thing is, I have 7 eyes, but only on 5 toons, as 2 eyes have dropped on someone who already had an eye.
Of course I want to equip all toons with an Eye!
Pulled my 8th eye today. Now I have 3 toons with 2 eyes. Still 5 without an eye. Running daily.
Is there someone out there with the knowing of statistics and probability who can tell me what the chances are that I have an artifact on every character, compared to having a character with 10 artifacts?
Imaginary Friends are the best friends you can have!
I wonder if anyone read something about an "adjusted drop rate" for this item around the 6th of February patch or with the release of the "Unearthed Lockbox".
You can get the PvP artifact for 24k Glory. It might be a high price, but you know how/when to get it.
I'd love something similar with the EoL, if possible. A goal to work for is something wonderful!
I vote for more goals and less randomness all around.
One reason I can't bring myself to spend money on the game is the thought of spending it on wards to make enchantments. When I "randomly" lose and my wards get eaten, well that doesn't sound like something I want to do with real money.
Almost everything in the game is based on this gamble "roll the dice with insanely low odds". I'm not going to reward that business model.:(
I would love more direct goals, that are clearly achievable and not a roll of the dice.
I vote for more goals and less randomness all around.
One reason I can't bring myself to spend money on the game is the thought of spending it on wards to make enchantments. When I "randomly" lose and my wards get eaten, well that doesn't sound like something I want to do with real money.
Almost everything in the game is based on this gamble "roll the dice with insanely low odds". I'm not going to reward that business model.:(
I would love more direct goals, that are clearly achievable and not a roll of the dice.
Buying keys and wards is not the only way to "support this game".
Account-wide mounts, ioun stone of allure are a much better method imo
Some people may get it in a few days, some people in a few weeks, some people in a few months, some people never get it because they stop trying
In the day to come, when 9 of my 10 toons already have an arti, the chances are much higher that i get my total 30th artifact on one of the 9 toons that have already one than on the one toon that is still missing the arti. That's RNG.
Imaginary Friends are the best friends you can have!
In the day to come, when 9 of my 10 toons already have an arti, the chances are much higher that i get my total 30th artifact on one of the 9 toons that have already one than on the one toon that is still missing the arti. That's RNG.
Meh we'll see. You might be right, you might be wrong. All I know is, people are more inclined to come to the forums to "report" bad RNG rather than good RNG so this "reporting" might be a little skewed.
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starkaosMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited March 2014
I wonder if it would be better to wait on using the Star Metal Gauntlet until Module 3 to see if they change anything with the RNG for this artifact since they did change a couple of things with the Sharandar Campaign when Dread Ring was released.
I wonder if it would be better to wait on using the Star Metal Gauntlet until Module 3 to see if they change anything with the RNG for this artifact since they did change a couple of things with the Sharandar Campaign when Dread Ring was released.
Not certain if they will make the RNG better for the artifact but it frequently happens in MMOs that as time goes on earlier 'grinds' are made easier.
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firkraaqMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 16Arc User
In the day to come, when 9 of my 10 toons already have an arti, the chances are much higher that i get my total 30th artifact on one of the 9 toons that have already one than on the one toon that is still missing the arti. That's RNG.
Reasons why RNG seems to be terrible:
* Some people get lucky on lockboxes or eye drops, others take many many more opens and still don't get anything. The ones that do get something also sometimes seem to get another decent drop.
* Loot drops are repetitive, I've ran loads of CN and there's days where more of an item drops than others, also some people tend to win good loot more than others.
* Nodes can break many times in a row despite having 75% chance
* I've wasted like 13 wards in the past trying to combine rank 5s in a row
* In valindras tower it is common for the same person to be held time after time
* When someone wins something out of a lockbox, there's usually another announcement not long after, it can even be the same person showing that there are streaks of good (and bad) luck
Here's 2 snippets of 2 different days of farming from one of our members who keeps a tab of the runs that he mostly sells for, one being a lot of farming, another being not many runs:
Ancient Castle Champion's Sword Knot
Ancient Castle Champion's Sword Knot
Ancient Castle Champion's Greatsword
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Court Magister's Talisman
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Court Magister's Talisman
Ancient Spymaster's Elegant Dagger
Ancient Castle Champion's Greatsword
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Castle Champion's Sword Knot
Ancient Castle Champion's Sword Knot
Ancient Grand Knight's Longsword
On this day lots of knots and shivs dropped showing that there is more of a pattern than RNG should suggest. And it isn't a rare thing.
Ancient Court Magister's Orb
Ancient Royal Priest's Icon
Ancient Grand Knight's Shield
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Trapper's Ornate Blades
On another day you can see many shivs dropped in a row on the same day. So yeah, I'd say the RNG is horrible.
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okumbaMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 6Arc User
edited March 2014
Whoever were the programmer that came to the idea that you should modify the input to the function or the result that the random number generator delivers you, you failed. Following this not only on loot, but also results of any kind of boxes with sample data that is not only 50... but 1000+. You did apparently modify an existing function with any factor like time, character values or anything like that. Just don't do it; generate some large sample data and see what happens if you do so... If you want at least pseudo random numbers that are not streaking ABSOLUTLY heavy (which is the case), than either recode it from scratch yourself or take what you get from the existing version of your programming language.
There is no doubt that paying over £100 and doing the Dread spire runs every day and STILL NO EYE. This is blooody ridiculous. It needs fixing. Why should you invest so much time and so much money for no reward. Unforgivable!
The eye needs to be purchasable with Thayan scrolls or ciphers, to expect people to constantly purchase keys to get the elite gauntlet and even then have a small chance to get the eye is down right ludicrous. And too be honest doing the dread spire run every day since launch and still see no drop, why bother playing.. FIX THIS is stupid!
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This is absolutely false and shows that you have no idea of even elementary maths, and should refrain from posting.
Every day I invoke, I am a little closer to the angel. It is one coin less I need to buy it.
Every DR I run, I am not any closer to the eye. I still have the same chances of finding it the next day/week/month. I could run the lair for the rest of my life and still not get it.
You know you can open the coffer every day for your entire lifetime and NOT get the artifact?
level it up before using it for refining points, and you'll increase your bonus (as in, putting X points into the artifact and then using the artifact AS points gives you more points in total). It suffers from diminishing returns as the level increases, but is still worth doing. I think someone worked out that getting it to JUST below purple (so level 59) was about the most efficient state to reach before using for RP, since beyond that point you have to shell out a lot for reagents (purp potencies are not cheap).
I think it's unfair that it's possible for 1 gauntlet to drop over the equivalent of just under 3 years play though. I say that since you can do it once per day but can have multiple toons or star gauntlets to do it more, but if you wanna do it for "free" (which it isn't since you had to pay for the **** things) on one toon, you can be very very unlucky, and that's just rng in this game overall, not just for the eye.
Is there someone out there with the knowing of statistics and probability who can tell me what the chances are that I have an artifact on every character, compared to having a character with 10 artifacts?
It's RNG, nothing you can do about it, except keep grinding until you get what you want.
EDIT: That or just give up on the item.
Nothing yet
Anyway at this point I will just consume the Eye into my Waters. Don't care any longer.
You know you can open the coffer in 2 days and get the artifact?
See how stupid your argument's foundation is?
But there are lots of toons out there that will try for another 1000 days and not get one.
But that might be PWI's intention.
I vote for more goals and less randomness all around.
One reason I can't bring myself to spend money on the game is the thought of spending it on wards to make enchantments. When I "randomly" lose and my wards get eaten, well that doesn't sound like something I want to do with real money.
Almost everything in the game is based on this gamble "roll the dice with insanely low odds". I'm not going to reward that business model.:(
I would love more direct goals, that are clearly achievable and not a roll of the dice.
Buying keys and wards is not the only way to "support this game".
Account-wide mounts, ioun stone of allure are a much better method imo
Some people may get it in a few days, some people in a few weeks, some people in a few months, some people never get it because they stop trying
Meh we'll see. You might be right, you might be wrong. All I know is, people are more inclined to come to the forums to "report" bad RNG rather than good RNG so this "reporting" might be a little skewed.
Not certain if they will make the RNG better for the artifact but it frequently happens in MMOs that as time goes on earlier 'grinds' are made easier.
I hope so, so far no luck
* Some people get lucky on lockboxes or eye drops, others take many many more opens and still don't get anything. The ones that do get something also sometimes seem to get another decent drop.
* Loot drops are repetitive, I've ran loads of CN and there's days where more of an item drops than others, also some people tend to win good loot more than others.
* Nodes can break many times in a row despite having 75% chance
* I've wasted like 13 wards in the past trying to combine rank 5s in a row
* In valindras tower it is common for the same person to be held time after time
* When someone wins something out of a lockbox, there's usually another announcement not long after, it can even be the same person showing that there are streaks of good (and bad) luck
Here's 2 snippets of 2 different days of farming from one of our members who keeps a tab of the runs that he mostly sells for, one being a lot of farming, another being not many runs:
Ancient Castle Champion's Sword Knot
Ancient Castle Champion's Sword Knot
Ancient Castle Champion's Greatsword
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Court Magister's Talisman
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Court Magister's Talisman
Ancient Spymaster's Elegant Dagger
Ancient Castle Champion's Greatsword
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Castle Champion's Sword Knot
Ancient Castle Champion's Sword Knot
Ancient Grand Knight's Longsword
On this day lots of knots and shivs dropped showing that there is more of a pattern than RNG should suggest. And it isn't a rare thing.
Ancient Court Magister's Orb
Ancient Royal Priest's Icon
Ancient Grand Knight's Shield
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Spymaster's Ceremonial Shiv
Ancient Trapper's Ornate Blades
On another day you can see many shivs dropped in a row on the same day. So yeah, I'd say the RNG is horrible.