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Interesing idea.. Shoxecution vs. Courage Breaker ..??
kweassa
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So, some people say "Naw, SE is no problem at all, just CC him when SE is about to activate".
Either I am unlucky or someone is talking bullshi* theories, I've never seen this happen in any of the games, nor have I actually succeeded in such attempts. It is unfortunate my reaction speed is just not fast enough to instantly counter someone making that **bwwwoooinggg** noise and floating upwards within 2 seconds.
Maybe its possible if I do nothing but only watch the enemy rogue, anticipate the moment perfectly, get my finger on the "2" key ready and just... wait until it comes out. But a clandestine activation in the middle of combat? I don't think any human reflex is fast enough.
Considering the fact that most powers have its own activation time, (something like in between 0.5~1s) you'd need to register the visual/audio effects, process it within your brain that its Shox coming and take countermeasures, and actually move your finger to press... within 1 second? If I can do that, I'll probably be able to hit a fastball with a baseball bat that's coming at me at 120mph. Oh man, would the MLB love me or what.
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But that being said, I actually happened to do something interesting. A pure-luck move -- I hit Courage Breaker just before the enemy TR activated his own Bloodbath. I thought to myself, "That tickles."
That got me thinking.
It's seems like the "Unstoppable Force versus the Immovable Object" paradox. On one side, you have a power that ignores CC immunity and absolutely kills any movement, and then brings down enemy damage to 1/10th of normal. On the other side, you have a power that ignores all types of defenses and resistance, and lands a huge amount of damage based on enemy HP levels.
I am curious -- has anyone seen this happen? Does Shox ignore C-Breaker, or does C-Breaker kill off even Shox damage?? :eek::eek:
Either I am unlucky or someone is talking bullshi* theories, I've never seen this happen in any of the games, nor have I actually succeeded in such attempts. It is unfortunate my reaction speed is just not fast enough to instantly counter someone making that **bwwwoooinggg** noise and floating upwards within 2 seconds.
Maybe its possible if I do nothing but only watch the enemy rogue, anticipate the moment perfectly, get my finger on the "2" key ready and just... wait until it comes out. But a clandestine activation in the middle of combat? I don't think any human reflex is fast enough.
Considering the fact that most powers have its own activation time, (something like in between 0.5~1s) you'd need to register the visual/audio effects, process it within your brain that its Shox coming and take countermeasures, and actually move your finger to press... within 1 second? If I can do that, I'll probably be able to hit a fastball with a baseball bat that's coming at me at 120mph. Oh man, would the MLB love me or what.
.....
But that being said, I actually happened to do something interesting. A pure-luck move -- I hit Courage Breaker just before the enemy TR activated his own Bloodbath. I thought to myself, "That tickles."
That got me thinking.
What happens if Courage Breaker hits just before Shox is activated??
It's seems like the "Unstoppable Force versus the Immovable Object" paradox. On one side, you have a power that ignores CC immunity and absolutely kills any movement, and then brings down enemy damage to 1/10th of normal. On the other side, you have a power that ignores all types of defenses and resistance, and lands a huge amount of damage based on enemy HP levels.
I am curious -- has anyone seen this happen? Does Shox ignore C-Breaker, or does C-Breaker kill off even Shox damage?? :eek::eek:
Stop making excuses. Be a man.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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Ps. Add me ingame if you want to test any kind of TR stuff, handle is @spicen.
i just wish we rogues had a daily with a stronger base damage that didn't require someone to be at 40% hp to be at maximum effectiveness.
I still haven't got around to testing it yet.. but if damage buffs directly effect Shox, then I'm assuming that would mean debuffs do as well, since -damage is essentially a negative damage buff.
dem, honest to heaven, cross my heart, I've never seen a TR interrupt Shox consciously. I've seen a few cases of a miracular escape by getting out of that 30' cylinder, yeah, but to consciously anticipate Shox and interrupt it? Never.
I can understand how constricting arrow would interrupt, since that's one of the most powerful CCs in the game (despite HRs denying this fact, it's incredibly hindering, forces you to lose timing in everything -- and timing is everything for TRs..), as well as fighter classes since they throw around AoE CCs like mad... but a TR vs TR fight?
At this point, I'd like to inquire to the TR players, with God as witness and in all honesty, who in the world here can anticipate Shox and simply interrupt + escape from it as a conscious, intentional maneuver? I'd love to see some vids, please.
Try fighting with a daily with around maybe 6~8k damage at most, gets interrupted, can be dodged, made null by protection powers (such as CWs or HRs use), special effect simply ignored by CC immunities... and then you'll realize just how powerful Shox is, friend.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I won't deny that execution is a powerful daily, but it's not advisable to use on squishier classes like mages/hunters since they die easily anyways. execution is meant to be a tank-killer, but dailies with higher base damage r best at nuking classes that r not tanky. I don't know how strong ice knife is, but 33k criticals is hard to not be envious of and i have used hammer of fate (cleric daily) to kill wizards a lot quicker since it has 9-10k base damage.
funny thing is that execution can be deflected, although rarely. i have been hit by it on my rogue with 40% deflect and had 10k hp left but only lost 4k hp. it's even funnier when i have 10k hp and survive ice knife + shocking execution due to deflection but die on the next hit.
but interrupting execution as a rogue? the time-frame is so small that it is highly unlikely to interrupt it except by luck since most of our stuns need a second to hit and impact needs a stealth bar.
Your remembering something wrong.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
that's y i always thought it was weird when i do deflect it. i know it never deflects when i use ITC, but it can deflect like 10-20% of the time normally for some reason. if its a bug, then i don't mind it xD
That actually makes sense. See the SE activation, use Bloodcrystal to fill the "HP-gap" to reduce SE damage drastically...
Any chance you'd might be able to experiment a Courage Breaker hit just before SE activates??
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Courage Breaker beats Shocking Execution
... Happened twice in a single match. Landed CB just before the enemy engaged SE. Ofcourse, CB activation is slower, so it is impossible to observe the SE activation and then land it. It happened by accident, but the results are clear.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Kweassa, I sent you a pm with some questions. Thanks.
There are several ways to avoid SE (not even going to count dodges as one because it's so ridiculously difficult to dodge I wouldn't even bother):
GWF - Avalanche of Steel will avoid all SE damage, from when you first activate the daily (AoS, not SE), as long as you activate it before SE hits ofc. This is because AoS "absorbs" damage, not buffing your defense to something like 100%+ like some skills possibly do, and it's not a dodge.
HR - Apparently forest meditation helps, but not sure. It's fairly easy to get off Disruptive Shot or Constricting though, but if they're in ITC, well gg. I think DS might still interrupt but I'm not sure about that.
TR - Impact Shot stun from stealth. Or simply pray that it's not a crit.
CW - Try and fire off some sort of CC or get out of range, otherwise pray it's not a crit or you have enough health to tank the non-crit.
DC - idk if foresight or w/e it's called blocks it (I don't play a DC), but yeah, same as CW lol.
i.e. class best equipped for avoiding SE is GWF.
You forgot guardians block, my friend
And Lag can beat it alot.
Leaving dead question marks everywhere
He hit me with his Dagger Daily
I said that Tickles
and as soon as I was no longer prone
I hit him with SE and sent him to the Campfire.
Leaving dead question marks everywhere
This is the best counter I have, by far, to SE. I'm a rogue too, so yeah, I know it's annoying. Half of the time I am engaged with other TR I have Ravenskull up for the off chance he decides to execute me. I gave myself a mental smack in the head if I didn't press my F1 key soon enough (my artifact key).
The only second most effective alternative is dodging ... out of range. If he's coming from the front, roll back, or to wherever opposite direction. So he's gunna have to recast.
Third option: fire your SE faster >.<