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GF in PvP
thestaggy
Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
After mainly focusing on PvE and gearing up I've decided to hit PvP in order to get a second artifact.
Now, is the GFs place in PvP to sit on the middle node or try and sit on the enemies home node? I'm playing my GF as I did my tank DC; get on the middle, sit there, and frustrate the hell out of people and wait for my party to come and help.
Now, is the GFs place in PvP to sit on the middle node or try and sit on the enemies home node? I'm playing my GF as I did my tank DC; get on the middle, sit there, and frustrate the hell out of people and wait for my party to come and help.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
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As a GF your job is to cc important target help your team to take them down, also use your cc to protect teammates.
Also GF is a good node holder because Bull Charge.
But do noted you are not as tanky as a DC, as a matter of fact you are actually squishy if you fail to block the big hit or the cc.
A bit advice on build path: Hybrid Conqueror or Tactician. Both are viable but at the same time both has its limit. In your case I would recommend the first one since it is more pug game friendly and good for taking down people in order to carry your team.
DC are only tanky because of thier buffs and passives which they spread amongst thier team.
You as gf are very tanky alone can heal yourself become immune to cc and damage and are able to ragdoll people as good as a gwf you just do not hit quite as hard or always move as fast.
GF can also be used to support not just knock the other guy out and can do both at the same time.
What the future of both classes hold in PVP is still kind of unclear, even if you fully spec out DPS mode wise, anybody in the same GS range as yourself with the dps classes is superior. The one thing a DC did well is counter a HR in the same GS range, because their CCs didnt chain you from healing and slapping down a Ashield to mitigate most of the damage. Im used to PVP month of the nerf and buff class thing in other games, but like I was telling others, Ive never seen one class get hit as hard as the DC will be, considering its not even a top tier class to start with. The nerfs were probably meant to balance out the GWF a little, but in reality it hurts the DC the most, since GWFs still going to be a load of pain into the game.
It doesnt help its all arena matching to start with, being a weaker class say in a open world concept where you could really hold points helps, as utility comes into play alot more when you have more then 5 players at once (Ive been in open world maps with hundreds on both sides.
If a DC is in your team, stay close to him and help him kite damage by peeling opponents of him. GFs are really good in PvP provided they are teamed up with people that know the basics and can understand what they bring in the setup.
oh yeah you can block some nukes partially but that if you are a HAMSTER that likes to be a punching bag while having the mobility of a hippo in a puddle of mud. dont even get me started about pve... my guild is running the high level content with no healers and every other class can tank the same of better than the actual tanking one. and by tanking i ofc mean kiting...
DC out tank GF by miles.
The reason you think GF tank better is because you never seen a good DC. Time to do more high end premade rather than pug stomping mate.
you should never go 1v5 as a gf or any class if you can help it unless you run survival even then there are no guarantees.
The point of a tank in an mmo is to tank or lessen damage for your squishier teammates either actively or passively through style of play and to protect himself and deal as much damage as possible before dying.
And kiting is not a mechanic in case anyone was wondering its a survival strategy players came up with to beat down stupid numerous or powerful persuants without taking damage
Sort of how a martial arts master actively dodges or flips out of the way that or how a hunter might trap its prey or a gunner in the military uses cover and doesnt try to rambo it.
Blessing will also use this strategy because the player knows what is going on.
Don't play much do you?
Play with a couple of premades using their GF's... Ant Monster and his group, Lemonaidestand, Exile and the list goes on. GF's are anything but weak (when done right) in PVP.
Huh? You either trolling or don't know what your class is about.
GF melts in a 2 v 1. While a DC can live longer. I guess that says it all.
Solo Tanking: GF<DC
2V1 Tanking: GF<DC
And if you still wanna make excuses. Here is what goes for you:
Average GF defensive stat: 32-40k HP, 44-50% DR and 17-30% Deflect Chance, also 1400-2100 Regen. That covers most GF you would encounter in PVP.
And we look at DC, those actual good ones not just some wanna be PVP DC: 32k-38k HP, 40-44% DR and 20-28% Deflect chance, regen about 1400-2200.
Compare these two raw data and then plz math prove how GF can out tank a DC. DC still have dodges and doges and dodges.... Astral Shield for extra 20% DR with heal, Exhalation for immune, and don't forget healing word. Daily that gives Temp HP and extra 15%DR
What GF's kit offer? A guard that can be broke easily once being focused or hit by certain encounter/at-will. Daily you only have SOS that offer some extra tankyness for you which is not really effective.
If you are not gonna prove how GF out tank a DC in any case plz don't reply. I honestly don't see how some one can argue on this.
I know you are rather opinionated slushy, but seriously? That entire post was both nonconstructive AND lacking any real knowledge of PVP. Seriously.
You need to stop pugging man, it just melted your brain. Let's go over your details, shall we?
Watching any non-pug GF and you may come to find that they use "Fighters Recovery", giving 1000% Life Steal. Stack that with "Endless Consumption" and a GF can have full health in 2 swings. They heal and tank far better than you seem to think.
While I would say this depends on the class, your blatant "2V1" just goes to show how naive you are in your statements.
That covers MOST GF you encounter in PVP? So.... you're telling me you've played GF sooo long and inspected EVERY GF and giggled the jellies of the devs to know this? Surely you jest. *rolls eyes* Again, stop pugging.
Raw Data... here you go (mine). Others are free to chime in as well to show doe doe here he's been smoking too much green.
2pc. High General
2pc. Timeless Hero
Fomorian Fabled Set
2x Ancient Berserker's Ring of Cleaving
2x Ancient Excorcist's Necklace of Blessings
Reinforced Frostpelt Girdle
Gemmed Pant/Shirt
HP: 28875
POWER: 5414 (+217 Damage)
CRIT: 1659 (19.9%)
ARP: 1012 (19.2%)
REC: 1969 (18.6%)
DEF: 4276 (49.6%)
DEFLT: 1,751 (23.1%)
REGEN: 1.319 (9.8%)
LS: 898 (7.2%)
MOVE: 875 (7.3%)
And that's my Defensive gear! Otherwise a GF will hit like a wet noodle and pretty much live up to your impression of them. However, most do not try and turtle PVP. GF's are perhaps the single most versatile toon in this game as they can tank, DPS, heal and keep all others prone longer than a CW can with CC. It's a fact.
You are just one of many trolls I fished out in this forum. Beat it.
We can do a premade if you like, I would really like to see how well you tank with your GF in a real fight. So you can now either ***** out like a girl or send me a pm in game. Or you can contact EOA to set up a premade, we are PVP welcomed.
Jesus christ, talk about it, those "facts and figures" make my eyes swell.
What a smart aleck wall texter.
Figures and numbers are hard to argued. Just as we know: 2 is bigger than 1. Nothing to even comment, it is a universal truth.
...and you get the idea...Fixed for you.
GFs may not be up there, but they are very good in PvP...of course they just need to be played right...like DCs.
**Tell me that you are talking about Knee breaker...and then everything makes sense
ah another one of you types that tell everybody else to learn to play. tell me mister awesome pvp-er how exactly do you play GF right in pvp in order to be on par with every other class ? what do you bring individually to the team ? enlighten me i must be a no0b.
The ones who are all cocky about their 18k+ gear, run around seeking for individual 1v1 fights and all, these types are easily lured and most usually not much of a threat (provided that you or your teammates have enugh gear-power/skill to survive it).
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Now.. the ones that are most friggin' annoying to fight against, are those who have this uncanny positioning who keep stepping into your line of fire against the target you have chosen, who keep knocking you off from the target you are trying to focus, and always force a 2v1 without any concept of 'honor' or '1v1'. Like said, a good meatshield.
Ofcourse, GWFs can also do that, but since GWFs can also run around like how a crazy mutt would chase after cars passing by, just see any target and run straight for it and leave everyone behind, it usually comes down to the GF to become the annoying "anvil" of the team while the team waits for the idiot "hammer" -- GWFs -- to actually come to their senses and cooperate.
In my experience, these GFs who really have a concept of a "team", were the most difficult and annoying to fight against.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I posted before what I think GFs bring to a team. All I got from your response is a huge generalisation on a class just based on your experience. Clearly, you don't have fun with the class, since you mention that they are completely useless in both PvE and PvP. So feel free to jump on something more interesting for you, maybe.
Posting negative generalised comments based on your experience, will get you this type of responses, sadly. (Even from guys like me).
Lol, Lunging Strike/Bull Charge/Griffons Wrath/Frontline Surge/Threatening Rush/Anvil Of Doom and Indomitable Strength - have you ever been on the receiving end of the Train of Pain?
I have lots of fun with my GF in PVP - sure, DPS/PVP specced he can't tank a **** but at lease is fun.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
It's 4 encounters, 1 daily and 1 at will, all of which are very good for PVP. And your point is?
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
But still if you play it right you can kill every class 1v1, you can do outstanding premade performance and you can provide high support and burst dmg.