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GWF win 1 ws 5... OP?
maarghaan979
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how one class can be so powerful that 5 player CANT kill him... honestly.. he stand on our base... all 5 on him... no way...
i am CW.. dmg im doing on players are about 1000-3000.. depend.. on GWF i was doing 200-300dmg... anyone can tell me how is possible to be so invincible?
sry GWFs... im not asking for nerf... i just want to understand how things going here...
i am CW.. dmg im doing on players are about 1000-3000.. depend.. on GWF i was doing 200-300dmg... anyone can tell me how is possible to be so invincible?
sry GWFs... im not asking for nerf... i just want to understand how things going here...
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The thing you're doing wrong is ganging up on him, because all that does is fill his unstoppable.
Send in 1 or 2 people tops to combat him. Use your at wills sparingly. Use prones, because they can't use their unstoppable when they are prone.
Keep him on his back until you're ready to kill him, and target GWF last, unless it's to prone them.
It either he hack or you're doing something wrong.. It is impossible for a GWF to withstand 5 player's dmg let alone 2 in top GS. What level bracket are you playing? 10? 20?
it was 60... my group was all low (i could see by horses), my gs 10k, so also very low (pvp gear with 5s enchantments)... as i say... i was just doing abysmall dmg on him... and im ussualy dps build and using ray of enfleem(something)....
EDIT: btw... i never had problems with GWF untill lvl 60...
He did not say how long the fight last and how did it end, but since he didnt say that the gwf killed all 5 ppl, but just survived thats how it looked imo: GWF was on their base point fighting all 5 ppl. Meanwhile 4 member of his team capped completely uncontested middle point and run to help him, killed whole his team and gwf just regenerated the lost hp back. That means gwf was tanking their team for about 30s, 40s and thats perfectly possible if whole enemy team is uncoordinated and undergeared pug. Especially without TRs being able to shocking execution him at the right time.
Answering your question about dmg on gwf and other players - unstoppable makes him reduce incoming damage by 50%. Also, your armor penetration must be really low for pvp (and thats the best offensive stat there).
But mark my words, GWF WILL GET NERFED. Just not very much very fast since that is the same as Cryptic saying "Oh <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, we <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> this up again". It will take some time (more time) and then they will give up and put a nerf or two in. Probably at the same time as the HR gets a few tweaks.
Nobody here said that GWFs are balanced. Its so well known fact that sentinels are broken in PvP that nobody cares to mention that anymore. We're just giving some tips how to try to deal with them so the chance that you will be completely overwhelmed is lower.
it not bothers me that they are tanky and have high survivability... what bothers me that they are most tanky of all classes and have amazing high dmg (at least on CWs, HRs, TRs and maybe DCs if not tanky build) and very good CC (prone)... here i see unbalance...
So here is your problem ; a gwf can have easily 17k GS by feats + r9 enchants , while a cw can maximum have 16k gs with pumping his gear with high lvl enchants.
So before you get at least 14k Gs you can't win against a 17k GS gwf even he's afk
Good game!
Not entirely true, I play with CW that has 17.1K GS (with HV 4/4... not 2/2 lame equips) everyday. Many more others have 15k-16k. And as always, it's not really about the GS, although a low GS usually also means a beginner unskilled player as well.
As for the OP, you will learn to understand decent GWFs are just too much for even a geared CW. If you want to stand a chance against them, get very geared and also run a PvP spec with lots of HP and defenses. Then it will be easier for you, not that it means you gonna actually win.
And never, ever play 5 vs 1 GWF. I leave matches when I see this. Send one person, even if they are doomed to die, to permanently contest with GWF. If, and ONLY IF you won battle at mid and have a spare CW/TR/HR, he should go and help the guy contesting to kill GWF.
The moment you go 3/4/5 against one perma or GWF on your homepoint, the match is 99% fully lost. NEVER do that again.
A BiS pvp-built anything with at least moderate skill should wreck a group of 10k puggers. A BiS (or near-BiS) pvp-built tanky senti Great Weapon Fighter, well.. that is pretty much what they do. They can be killed, but they need to be killed by similarly well-geared players who understand immunities, when to stun, and when not to stand there getting pounded.
Sadly, without a GW2-style system of outfitting everyone with standard gear in some PvP game types, you're always going to be rolled, even if you weren't an inexperienced PUG, when you're massively outgeared.
However, you also sound like you don't fully understand what you're facing, too- and that would doom you even with gear parity. When facing a single hard nut like that, it is strategically terrible not to just leave him to his own devices while you soak score from the other two points where he isn’t. If you're leaving your entire team on him, while the other team cap elsewhere, it's like you're asking to lose.
And yeah A proper build GWF in PVP is like god for normal pugs.
This. Should be PVP lesson No.1 as mandatory.
Everytime a GWF pop unstoppable he heals for 5%( if feated ) and gain 8-16& HP as Temporary HP.
That is why the more you hit him the harder to kill..
A single CW isn't rly supposed to kill a 40k hp BiS TANK build. I wonder when people will finally learn this... A CW is more of a support class and by CCing they give the DD's enough time to kill tougher targets.
This is how it works.
No.
This is NOT how it should work.
BiS PvP CW should have 50% chance to kill BiS PvP GWF, if both experienced. Simple as that.
There is absolutely NO REASON in this world one class should have advantages over another. You don't get to have god-classes, each with fair chances against the others.
Other MMOs solved this by offering large pools of abilities, so a (skilled) class knows what to use against other classes. Large action bars as well.
Also other MMOs give squishies fair chance by giving them stuff such as invisibility, diverse shields, mirror images, speed increases, heals, immunities and so on.
In this game, some classes lack proper tools to deal with others. To have a slim chance you have to spec in PvE-useless PvP specs, and the game doesn't even have dual spec.
Crazy, I know.
Ya know what your right. im 15.9 gs, 4300 power 2600ap, 33% crit and i cant kill the sent gwf. So.... people saying that "a good cw can outright kill it is bs" lol not and equally geared sent gwf. The game screwed up.They wanted to make GWF stronger in pve but messed it up to hell and back in pvp. I have fought GWF friends for 5min's o.O. Why? because they have defense,40% deflect,40k hp, regen that would put most dc's to same and ohhhh god mode (aka unstoppable). Not to mention that if you mess up 1 time "1 time" its "rush, prone, ****, ****, prone......... and if by some miracle you are still alive they can just charge up to you again and **** you for the second time. Because on top of all the defense they have they still have great damage......which makes no **** sense. Its like giving a dc thats Now with this being said. Hell yes it op. No toon should be able to have defense, deflect in fast amounts, hp off the charts, and the easy button/god mode/ "i was charging at you earlier now i can just run fast as your teleport" (aka unstoppable) its an epic fail in pvp. I would rather fight a perma stealth rogue than a gwf..... which is also broken and has been since the game has existed.....but.... the tr actually can die.... rare but **** it there's a hell of a lot better chance than the troll class GWF. I mean sen GWF. And if a GWF says " i get killed all the time" well.....this maybe rude but its true. your doing something hella wrong. I'm willing to fraps a dule if you like. Maybe it would be best if i did any how. perhaps the developers need to see the monster they created. Because if they tested that and its really what they intended it to be in pvp.....I soooooo will just will just avoid the matches with the "GWF the everliving" ......
Gwf or Sent?
But even if it's a Sent, by browsing the Library subforum you can find tips to help you. There is for instance a chill mage who explained how he deliberately equipped a very low orb, to avoid dealing damage and preventing the gwf from ever becoming unstoppable.
A TR can kill a lower geared Destroyer spec GWF. It's gonna be rough vs a fully geared sentinel though.
People have complained about DPS GF that kill them in 1 rotation of encounters.
People have complained about "1 shot TR" and Perma stealth TR
People have complained about "1 shot Ice Knife CW" and perma CC CW
Of course people actually rejoiced that DC can make a tanky/heal/regen that survives
Now people just complain loudest about Sent GWF because they have access to IV path.
I personally have a Sent GWF that has been 60 for months, but just respecced to IV. I am good in PVP, but not godly because I don't have 15k+. Most people don't...but more people are getting there which just means newer players are a little more likely to run into this and other super geared classes. Same thing in L2 when your pvp vs someone with full epic jewels and you had none.
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