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tahllol
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This needs corrected like it was already suppose to have been months ago. The different dungeons are now full of perma stealth TR's running thru the dungeons and keeping people from getting into que's with groups to actually do anything. Especially with this new system perma stealth needs removed or put tons of mobs in that can see stealthed rogues to fix it.
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TR's depend on stealth to stay alive. Permastealth requires some significant tradeoffs that decrease a TR's DPS. It is not broken, does not need to be changed.
It also has nothing to do with queues in the game.
You can give bosses Truesight. It's lame that a certain class can go farm their stuff alone.
Or give the rest of the classes Invisibility. I want to farm rings and necks in CN alone with my wizard too
Even a stealthed rogue that gets withing aggro range of a monster enters combat and will be attacked if he ever leaves stealth. To my knowledge it's not possible to sneak past everything without killing it eventually.
Rogues having the most kills IS understandable to me because they're a DPS class. Prior to the advent of the rangers, they were the ONLY DPS class. Having a rogue be able to occupy 2+ characters on one base just because of perma stealth isn't really balanced though I have to agree. I still think that doing any sort of damage or taking any sort of damage should auto break stealth is the only reasonable route. I haven't played THAT many games, but the ones I HAVE played all had rogues breaking stealth upon dishing out or taking damage. I'm not really sure how reasonable it seems to have a rogue be able to chuck/throw a continual stream of daggers out of thin air, all while continuing to remain totally invisible.
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They can sneak past most trash packs, then fight the bosses with a series of abilities that allow them to replenish stealth. It takes quite a while, and if they screw up, the boss or the adds around it can quickly kill them, so it takes a certain amount of skill as well, no denying it.
However, what's actually relevant is that a class can enter a dungeon and solo bosses, keep all the loot without having to roll and AH it for profits, while the others can't. You should not be able to hide in plain sight and bosses should be able to see through concealment, just as they are unstoppable. No nerfs needed whatsoever.
If in doubt about how this works, just visit Youtube and search for solo CN and other such stuff. I found a few videos with TRs without augments or weapon/armor enchantments still able to solo bosses, some died 2-3 times along the way, but who cares, you get 3 epics for the AH and 3 shards.
Pretty much sums it up. I've played dozens of MMO's over the years and any damage dealt or received has always broken stealth on rogues. That would probably be a great and the perfect fix.
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Then he's even more wrong as there have been multiple changes to dungeons to make this much harder to do.
It still has no bearing on any queue slots of any kind.
This has been dealt with multiple times. Lots of threads about it, and lots of folks who clearly have no idea how TR's work.
TR's are a single-target DPS class, so it makes sense that they should consistently top the kill charts - especially since most people play PvP like gerbils on speed rather than as members of a team.
If you're not able to do anything about TR's as a GF, then I will suggest you try changing your playstyle. My GF has no issue with TR's or most anyone else in PvP, although well-played sentinel GWF's are bloody hard to kill.
Don't present false/incomplete information.
Crit 40K on what? Debuffed mobs in PvE? Debuffed almost naked bots in PvP?
In PvP, CWs (with lots of gear...) rarely go above 30K crits even with Ice Knife, after lots of debuffs on very low GS squishy target. On tanks? Pff. Deflected is the name of the game. 8-10K IK crits and so on even with 2200 ArP.
And yes, you TRs have too much of an advantage being able to solo bosses. WTF? Can't you see this should not happen?
NO NERFS TO TR ARE NEEDED (!!!!!) TRs actually need AoE DPS buff for PvE.
All that is needed is bosses that see you through stealth so you won't be able to solo... that is all.
The OP meant that the bosses should be able to see through invisibility to avoid this behaviour. This doesnt mean that a boss must attack the rogue if there is a GF around who knows how to hold aggro.
Imo the permastealth build is an exploit. It was probably never been intended. In DnD this is also not existent.
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
For those who mainly play a TR it seems to make perfectly sense
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
ever step on something sharp and never find out what it was? it was a piece of glass in stealth mode dpsing you..its possible
when you said gf and clerics are useless, you pretty much made a statement of knowing absolutely nothing about pvp. Go watch some Lemonade Stand videos maybe you will learn something.
Adding something to the main topic - nerf for TR means that TR will never get loot from epic dungeons. Try to get inv for Valindra Tower... I have never soloed boss, but I understand that for some people this can be only way to get new sets. CW complaining about TR are just so calculating and pathetic - dungeons are your kingdoms! Valindras best team is GWF + DC + 3CW...
And once again drop in dps in perma-stealth builds is significant. Skill rotation in this build is quite strict, one mistake and you are dead in most cases.
sure, rogues unload high damage, and maybe perma-stealth is too strong, but we either need a baseline survivability or mobility buff as atm we're often sitting ducks once we've done our first 2 dodges. stuck in a duellist's flurry as the boss charges his aoe? no problem! you're a rogue so dropping dead is part of the job description.
i agree any aggressive actions should remove stealth, frankly, but i also think stealth needs to be buffed in it's basic duration. 6 seconds only, you have to run pretty close before you go stealth if you aren't a perma-stealther.. if they're smart they know you're coming, and if they keep on the move it can be incredibly hard for a melee to get the hits in.
the real overpowered classes atm are GWF and CW enormously. i made a CW and in pvp omg it's so funny against rogues, they sneak up on me and i blink AFTER they attack but because i'm an overpowered CW it shows i dodged even though i was too late
you could even give us an innate deflection chance buff too along with deflection severity, keeping in check with the rogue style while also giving us a much better chance of not being 1-shot by anything vaguely strong.
if rogues stay as they are i will probably change class. i don't want to go perma-stealth if i can avoid it but atm it feels like i have the choice of doing that or hitting a brick wall where i can't improve due to it being an all-day struggle to find one single group that can clear the dungeons i need (epic ToS and SP). i've just stated a few options for fixes anyway, to make the game more playable for a large portion of the community.
to those who complain about rogues, well, you've clearly never played the class