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Clerics unnecessary?
volstok
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Someone in chat was saying that Clerics are pretty much unnecessary now with some doo-dad that came in the expansion. Anyone able to disavow or explain why this is?
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Kaylee Krankenwagen, level 60 GF | Tavandruil Wayfinder, level 49 GWF | Aldith Langley, level 51 HR
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For example I love having a GF in my team. Elitists don't.
Can it be done? Sure. Is it ideal? Not in my opinion.
But people with top end gear can generally do any dungeon without any one single class.
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Isn't that an (anti-)elitist comment in itself.....
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While no single class is necessary, its more benefitial (and, at least for me - more fun) to have a balanced party.
But whatever works for you is fine. If you find pleasure in running content without clerics - more power to you.
As said, on some dungeons a cleric is not that needed like on others.
In general all dungeons should be doable in any party setup, just alternate the tactic.
On some dungeon(parts) I run very more offensive than on others.
So I may don't even got AShield equipped, while I change to "more" healing at bosses or complicated areas.
Let me give a really easy one as some demonstration, did a few MotH runs during last days.
The lowest "most heals" I did was about 230k, the highest was almost 1000k - both parties were random-queued, both parties had average gearscores of ~10.5k, both teams had 2CW and 2 melees next to me (DC).
No where near elitist, I prefer to think I'm average w/ common sense...
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I never understood why devs in MMOs gave tanks healing abilities to be honest. If it is not a Paladin no tank should be able to heal. The game should be focussed on teamwork and this means you need a healer to protect you. Also they could change the timer on potions. I play a healer and I see lots of people in dungeons that just spam their pots although I am there to heal them. Before I can throw them a heal over they just healed themselves up by potions.
While others heal all the time with abilities and items and pots a healer himself is gimped when it comes to damage. Also in dungeons, in most of the fights ppl don't really care about how to position and how to fight. Just pure DPS. Doesn't matter if the healer heals or has problem. In other MMOs I played the healer always was some kind of saint. He was the one that was protected by all means. If the healer had adds people got it off him, if the healer was beaten in PVP then people helped him, tanks taunted or used their def abilities and the DPS guys focussed the attacker because if the healer was down it meant the fail of the party. In Neverwinter in PVP no one cares if the healer is beaten and goes down. I have literally never seen that people stopped beating their target and switched to the guy that was beaten me, the healer.
And if you take GWFs the don't need healers at all what is also wrong in my opinion. This kind of tank should be a berserk type one. Meaning he can become enranged and deal more damage for the cost of sacrificing defense. But he is completely the opposite: More damage, more hitpoints, more def.
Also TRs can solo bosses without a healer. Just use ITC and all the immunities and stealth they have.
First one thing to make it clear. Since some people do not know what Elitist means. Elistists have 2 aspects.
A. Best of the Best.
B. Look down on other none Elite people and feel supreme.
That is what a pure Elitist does. I usually tell people that I am both roleplayer(slightly not much) and partly Elitist since I admire A part above.
Now I have 2 Clerics and 1 Rogue currently. Even Gauntlgrym Dwarf King can be done without Cleric yes. However is it faster or better without Cleric? No absolutely not unless it is a really weak(not my 2 Clerics) Cleric or a pure TANK maxed DEX and maxed CON Cleric.
I have played with my Rogue together with a pure tank Cleric with good gs 13k and she sucked at healing miserable Cleric for PvE! I have also played with 10k+ Clerics who are excellent for most Tier 2 Dungeons including Dwarf King in Gauntlgrym
If I could choose yes I would take a Cleric with me at least as long as it is decent ant not 7k Cleric. However when in Gauntlgrym you have very little time to find people and if you do not have a Cleric I would que without Cleric for random Cleric or if group is strong without Cleric. Personally I think it is never better without Cleric unless the Cleric really sucks(compared to the challenge) I think.
As for Guardian Fighter. It is a known fact that Guardian Fighters and Great Weapon Fighters get about 2000 extra gearscore! Therefore a Guardian Fighter with 12000 gs is roughly as same as 10k Rogue, Wizard or Cleric. You don't need GF! However it is stupid to be GF racist they can do great if you remember the 2000 extra gs rule I mentioned. I have done even Castle Never 4/4 without GF, but I have also done Gauntlgrym sometimes with 2 GF in the same group.
I have never tried a suicide campaign like try Castle Never 4/4 without Cleric. IF that could be done theoretically that would not make it faster or really smooth run.
*Right here* Five of us done this Friday night and killed 3rd boss. Even better considering the l33t 15k GF quit on us and told us we wouldn't beat the first boss. We were willing to continue to boss 4 but after 2 hours we'd had enough.