Question for who tested bloodtheft enchantment in pvp (perfect).

gannicsgladiator

Hello, during the last saturday PvP matches in the preview server, my guild TSB got in a match against a guild, i don't remember well now from which server. but it was an interesting and probably the longest match I ever seen.
it toke like 58 minutes to end.
We start losing, but eventually we turned the game and won.

the thing is, the entire enemy team was wearing bloodtheft.
they had 3 gwfs i think, 1 rogue and i cant remember the 5th member.

their gwf were also tough to kill, and even the rogue was in DPS build, he would heal a lot of hp from bloodtheft.

We saw sometimes moments that one of them had like near death, to recover like 50% of the hp bars.... which was quite impressive.

Because of that, I wanted to test it myself. I had tested al esser onet ime ago, and i really thought "what a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> enchantment"...
and i got a perfect bloodtheft to test borrowed from a friend.

the results on PvE when my life is under 50%>
heals 15xx HP always. and cooldown 1minute.
then i went to do pug a bit, and the result was the same
healed 15xx on pvp, and cooldown of 1min.

conclusion, trash enchantment, but still cant understand how these guys on preview healed so much (it wasnt regen hp, nor potions, it was really a "large amout of healing"


I got few hypothesis, maybe someone more experienced iwht the preview server or this enchant can answer

my hypothesis 1 is that maybe they buffed the Enchantment in the preview server, and there might heals larger amount of hp. (i will test it tomorrow when i back from work).

2nd hypothesis, they were maybe armor swapping.

3rd hypothesis, maybe wasnt the bloodtheft, but the lifedrinker. However, not thelifedrinker normal weapon dmg, but somehow since it is necrotic, maybe it could of sum with necrotic dmg of tenebrous and heal too? just a hypothesis

i think it is probably the first one, if someone else know more would like to hear.

srdjana

Sounds more like hacking and client side exploiting since health and stamina are rumored to be handled client side.

lobo0084

First, to understand GWF a little bit, there are three separate feats that can help with self heals (Unstoppable Recover, Sentinel's Aegis, and Grit), one power which provides a self-heal (Recovering Strike), Unstoppable provides a self heal, and last but not least, one T2 armor set that provides great regen stats boost (titan) and one T1 armor set 4-piece bonus that further boosts unstoppable's heal.

A GWF with low health like myself, at 28k, can easily peg over half health, sometimes even to 3/4, with a combination of unstoppable and restoring strike. With enough power and a great crit, I have hit restoring strike at 14k. This is without the lifedrinker attachment and lifesteal stats. So I would argue it is possible, but mostly as a troll build and not an effective point defender.

With all that being said, to stand on the other side of the argument, health IS managed client side, is easily hacked (search google), and I've witnessed many of these same situations before in other classes, such as GF's going from almost dead to 90%, or CW's healing fully with no assistance. It can be frustrating, and I wish they'd hurry up and add some type of hack prevention.

gannicsgladiator

thanks for the posts. Belive, i know how a gwf works very well, and his heals. I just dont know the healing of the bloodtheft.(well i tested in on pvp and pve, and i worked really bad. 15xx heal always once a minute.
but on the match with these guys, a premade of perfect bloodthefts, they could heal huge amouns like from near death to more than half hp in a single healing.
and was not only their gwf, but the rogues too.

we won the match, but toke forever 1hour, because were hard to kill any of them.
but i am trying to understand why their bloodtheft healed so much when we tested on live server, and it heals so bad...
i will test on pve in preview when i get hom from work, and see if it is cuz it is buffed there.
if it is not, then wont have choice to believe it was a exploit or something else going on.

pw3cka

Interesting, and I was thinking I am crazy every time I saw somebody becoming full health in a second.

Was blaming some network issues and my mind. But now it's confirmed... Good people do not use that so much :F, Cryptic better do something about this bs..

ranncore

GF gets a daily skill called Fighter's Recovery that lets them easily recover half or more of their hit points bar in 1 or 2 strikes.

As for bloodtheft, I also tested one and thought it was pretty worthless, but it does look awesome. Perhaps, tho, it's damage and healing benefits from armor penetration, and mine wasn't sufficient enough at the time to get any real benefits from it.

Most likely explanation, tho, is armor swapping.

gannicsgladiator

yes, i tested today a perfect bloodtheft in the preview server, and it is working the same way it is in the live server
therefore, these dudes were using an exploit for sure.

gannicsgladiator

it could be armor swap, but we need to remember that the enchant only work bellow half % life.
also, we would see the hp increasing slowly, cuz it even on perfect version has only 20% proc chance.
what we saw was dude from near death situations irecovery to more than half % hp.
rogues, and gwfs. i dont think they had a gf in the fight.

b4gshrugs

gannicsgladiator wrote: »

Hello, during the last saturday PvP matches in the preview server, my guild TSB got in a match against a guild

That would be EoA on Mindflayer.

gannicsgladiator

we started losing,b ut we beat them in the end eventually. I still can't understand how their bloodtheft could do like 30, 40% healings yet. i did dozen of tests in preview and on live server, and for me i t always heals for the 1512 amount.
it doesn'tmatter the gear i am using.

blindside697

gannicsgladiator wrote: »

yes, i tested today a perfect bloodtheft in the preview server, and it is working the same way it is in the live server
therefore, these dudes were using an exploit for sure.

I was one of these tr. I can tell you with 100% certainty there was no armor swapping. My survival was built around regen gear. I believe the gwf on the team were also stacking regen but I'm not sure.

It would be pretty easy to tell of we were swapping since bloody theft has such an ugly visual effect.

The guild was "bloody tampons" from Mindflayer.

degraafination

b4gshrugs wrote: »

That would be EoA on Mindflayer.

No naming and shaming, people. Please post some evidence or videos before we start accusing.

gannicsgladiator

Now here is the odd thing.
I was testing, and from dozens of tries, I always healed by 1512.
but just few minutes ago, i was in a pvp match, and fighting about 3 targets at once.
idk what happened, but i was with about 10k Life, and my life went up to like 28k. I thought "wtf"

i ran from the fight and hid to check the logs, and the log showed me it healed me only 1512, and only once, not even procced for different targets

conclusion
there is maybe somethign broken in this enchantment that it may work better than supposed.
how if it is totally random, or if it has a way to trigger on purpose I dont know

gannicsgladiator

blindside697 wrote: »

I was one of these tr. I can tell you with 100% certainty there was no armor swapping. My survival was built around regen gear. I believe the gwf on the team were also stacking regen but I'm not sure.

It would be pretty easy to tell of we were swapping since bloody theft has such an ugly visual effect.

The guild was "bloody tampons" from Mindflayer.

thank you for the answer, i didnt remember the name of the guild, and I was not making accusations, just hypothesis to try to understand how come the bloodtheft seemed to be so effective when testing it showed otherwise.

its really odd how it works, idk if there is a way to triggger it to works better, or if it is random
cuz from all tries, it healed me a large amout only once

mrexploiter

We only had two GWFs on our team, I was one of them. I can tell you none of us were armor swapping. Were you referring to Raven or Snowman?

munkey81

gannicsgladiator wrote: »

hese dudes were using an exploit for sure.

The people you played were members of Essence of Aggression.

We Do Not condone cheating in any form.

Especially armor swapping.

From my own personal testing on live in PvP. The harder you are hit when it proc's, the more you are healed for.

Proxi uses perfect blood on Live(not in our guild), but a good friend of ours. He said his has proc'd for 15k+ in total heals.

Which is the reason you were seeing such a huge increase from low health, to above half.

You guys hit hard......the blood theft proc'd.......they got big heals.....

Simply because you could not produce the same results, doesnt mean the other player is cheating.

We take pride in our guild and our members in the fact that we do not cheat.

Do more testing......

srdjana

In all fairness Alysin...EoA is good but TSB is better.

Criticizing them does nothing to help matters...and because EoA does not condone cheating, does not mean it doesn't happen. EoA has known cheaters in their ranks. no need to name or shame, because it;s against board policy and a quick search of the forums can get one a general idea.

I known a exploiter CW from Dragon who offered 45 different explanations on how he could heal to full while doing test runs on the Test Server and he changed his story like we all change socks until he got banned.

The proof is in the pudding, and as long as you keep submitting reports on "suspected" cheaters and exploiters they will be watched for analomies and if one day they don't log in and offer something like... " oh, my, ummm, well, yeah, my... turtle died...so I had to quit"

Lulz will be had.

degraafination

srdjana2 wrote: »

In all fairness Alysin...EoA is good but TSB is better.

Criticizing them does nothing to help matters...and because EoA does not condone cheating, does not mean it doesn't happen. EoA has known cheaters in their ranks. no need to name or shame, because it;s against board policy and a quick search of the forums can get one a general idea.

I known a exploiter CW from Dragon who offered 45 different explanations on how he could heal to full while doing test runs on the Test Server and he changed his story like we all change socks until he got banned.

The proof is in the pudding, and as long as you keep submitting reports on "suspected" cheaters and exploiters they will be watched for analomies and if one day they don't log in and offer something like... " oh, my, ummm, well, yeah, my... turtle died...so I had to quit"

Lulz will be had.

We don't yet know if EoA or TSB is better, because EoA did not run a full rainbow A-Team. That was a team of five who simply got together to mess around on the test shard. Of course both have excellent players, and both are strong PVP guilds.

Don't say "the proof is in the pudding" and offer no proof. I know ALL of the players in that match, and have PVPed with them extensively. I, too, can bear witness that they are not cheaters or exploiters. Suspect all you want, they did not cheat. If you can present evidence, do so. We were all laughing about this in Teamspeak tonight. Alysin gets accused of cheating/hacking almost on a daily basis. He's just a good TR who knows how to play his class. I've been accused as well, even though I don't consider myself intelligent or crafty enough to do so.

Accept the fact that other players are well-geared with high regeneration items and use PVP pots when near low-health.

gannicsgladiator

please dont transfor the thread in a dispute or accusations. as previous said, my suspects were hypothesis because i was trying to understand how the enchantment works.
yes, for once only, from many and many times i tested it seems to healed me over 20k or more.
but it happen onl yonce, and all the others times it healed me always 1.5k.
what makes me conclude that in the end, barkshield is better.

yeah, the match was really hard for TSB in the beginning, I am glad we end up winning, it was a very good match.
58 minutes, so far the longest match I ever played

Both gwf were ok, i notced more heals on the rogue dracnia or something to be honest.
snowman had more dps, and was easier to kill than raven in my point of view.

gannicsgladiator

degraafination wrote: »

We don't yet know if EoA or TSB is better, because EoA did not run a full rainbow A-Team. That was a team of five who simply got together to mess around on the test shard. Of course both have excellent players, and both are strong PVP guilds.

Don't say "the proof is in the pudding" and offer no proof. I know ALL of the players in that match, and have PVPed with them extensively. I, too, can bear witness that they are not cheaters or exploiters. Suspect all you want, they did not cheat. If you can present evidence, do so. We were all laughing about this in Teamspeak tonight. Alysin gets accused of cheating/hacking almost on a daily basis. He's just a good TR who knows how to play his class. I've been accused as well, even though I don't consider myself intelligent or crafty enough to do so.

Accept the fact that other players are well-geared with high regeneration items and use PVP pots when near low-health.

i should add to this comment of you that we also we were not running our A team as well.
by the way, our team was participating of the tournament, and the rules was 1 class each. Rule in which EoA was not following in that match, idk if because you guys were not participating of the lemonade tournament, or we just got in the Q randomly. but its fine, we had a good fight even with the class setup disadvantage. usually our A team run with 2 rogues, no GF.

lobo0084

gannicsgladiator wrote: »

i should add to this comment of you that we also we were not running our A team as well.
by the way, our team was participating of the tournament, and the rules was 1 class each. Rule in which EoA was not following in that match, idk if because you guys were not participating of the lemonade tournament, or we just got in the Q randomly. but its fine, we had a good fight even with the class setup disadvantage. usually our A team run with 2 rogues, no GF.

I know that there are better players and worse players in guilds, and sometimes that guy with the great personality that everyone enjoys playing with is just not going to be that awesome.

But if I ever heard a football coach say that his team lost because he had to pull in reserve players instead of his main guys, I'd never support that team again. We all know that we can't always have our top teams in place. But instead of it being a legitimate issue that every guild deals with and most just accept as common place, you guys keep making it sound like an excuse.

If your pride is on the line because guildies win or lose, it's time to admit that you are only as strong as your weakest link. That means removing bad players, preventing bad players from pvping, or taking your pride out of the equation on practice matches such as this.

When you (collective you, not aimed at either guild in particular) gotta constantly bring up the fact that your top guys weren't in the match so don't judge us ... well, it actually makes you look worse.

gannicsgladiator

you're mistaken bro. I am not using an excuse. the one who said first that the other guild didn't run with A team was a member of the other team if you look up a few posts behind. I was just saying we didn't play with our full A team too. In no way I wanted to give it as excuses, you can see that the way i praised their guild many times for the time of the fight, and how their guys fought well.
I apologize if I looked like trying to give excuses, or look to full of ourselves. I was just replying the comment that one of their guys said they were not running an A team.

vrtesseract

hee hee you know what this discussion reminds me of?...


EOA: You are wonderful.

TSB: Thank you; I've worked hard to become so.

EOA: I admit it, you are better than I am.

TSB: Then why are you smiling?

EOA: Because I know something you don't know.

TSB: And what is that?

EOA: I... am not left-handed.

[Moves his sword to his right hand and gains an advantage]

TSB: You are amazing.

EOA: I ought to be,

TSB: Oh, there's something I ought to tell you.

EOA: Tell me.

TSB: I'm not left-handed either.

[Moves his sword to his right hand and regains his advantage]


It all balences out in the end..... Keep it up there may be a franchise in store for you...

fondlez

vrtesseract wrote: »

hee hee you know what this discussion reminds me of?...
<snip>

Love the Princess Bride reference.

gannicsgladiator

haha that was funny!

gannicsgladiator

i am not totally sure if it is a glitch, or if the enchantment work.
but i noticed the times that it worked and healed me for great amounts, it expressed the animation of sucking life multiple times. when it should work only once.

since it is rare thing to happen, i suspect this is a glitch, or a bad function of the enchantment.

utuwer

I want to add that "Unstable potion" (which can be used in pvp) could randomly heal you for 17k-18k hp instantly.