Thank you for your feedback. I have been changing things around a lot based on feedback from this forum to try different theories that others have. As I have posted on another thread, I don't buy the ARMPEN CAP - Con theory. When I was "overcapping" on ARMPEN (via my stone) I was doing more damage than I am by just removing the arm pen (dropped to 1200 for testing).
Also, Power/Con is more valuable than Dex for me. Con gives me HP and it's own Arm Pen where dex only gives me crit. I feel that the crit chance I have is enough. 10% is not a difference to me. Remember, it's a chance to crit not guarantee 10% more crits. My recovery is fine esp when I'm using Full Avatar of war (I can keep the bonus up about 95% of the time during a dungeon).
I tested the constitution arm pen and I found it gives you none. As offensive stat, at least.
Done with only sword on test dummies. 30 hits each. Test server.
pandapaulMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 424Bounty Hunter
edited September 2013
I have been testing different ways to improve my GWF lately.. So I thought I would test the battle fury.. I run about 5 dungeons with it...
My observation.. It isn't good at all! It's plain bad!
I would recommend trying something else.. The only useful bit of battlefury was refilling stamina.. The extra AP and damage is easily beat by slotting another encounter. I observed over this time around a 10% drop in dps
I have been testing different ways to improve my GWF lately.. So I thought I would test the battle fury.. I run about 5 dungeons with it...
My observation.. It isn't good at all! It's plain bad!
I would recommend trying something else.. The only useful bit of battlefury was refilling stamina.. The extra AP and damage is easily beat by slotting another encounter. I observed over this time around a 10% drop in dps
Return to Punishing Charge my brother... You have the light now! :cool:
@pandapaul
Have you updated your DPS guide recently? I was much more interested in it than whatever is going on here.
I've been trying to figure out the best way to increase DPS, myself, but seem somewhat at a loss.
Return to Punishing Charge my brother... You have the light now! :cool:
The damage on punishing charge though seems so weak. I used to use it all the time for my "fly around the map, distract people, while other people kill build" (Mighty leap, punishing charge, flourish off angles) in PVP. The AP gain is decent. But I cant get over the little damage, and how it doesn't work properly with gash. I retested it in PVE in sharandar after you mentioned it again Kola in a previous post, I still do not like the damage; for strictly AP gain, as long as you can line up the targets and hit 4-5 every time its pretty sweet (but nothing like roar used to be). Maybe ill slot it in a t2 tonight and see what I can do with it.
IBS finishing strikes is the only AP gain really worth noticing anymore outta our encounters. (but it always was amazing, especially when we had roar. 1 good roar, few WMS to lower health, IBS finishin on 2/3/4 mobs, full AP, I believe this combo is why they nerfed roar AP gain)
The damage on punishing charge though seems so weak. I used to use it all the time for my "fly around the map, distract people, while other people kill build" (Mighty leap, punishing charge, flourish off angles) in PVP. The AP gain is decent. But I cant get over the little damage, and how it doesn't work properly with gash. I retested it in PVE in sharandar after you mentioned it again Kola in a previous post, I still do not like the damage; for strictly AP gain, as long as you can line up the targets and hit 4-5 every time its pretty sweet (but nothing like roar used to be). Maybe ill slot it in a t2 tonight and see what I can do with it.
It takes a while to get used too honestly, not completely intuitive and it requires good eye coordination/angle selection. Takes practice!
The damage isn't the greatest, for sure, but think of it like this... You have 3 Charges, they have a 8 Second Cool down, and you can use all 3 on the same target(s) 3 times in 2 Seconds. So, not great in Solo encounters... But you get 5 baddies in a row?
I hit for about 1k per hit, if I hit 5 baddies 3 times in 2 Seconds, that is 3k per baddie and 15k damage in total, not terrible honestly!
In solo encounters I switch to Flourish and/or use Punishing Charge more for the ability to instantly get into Flanking position, draw the boss in a different direction or GTFO of a really bad red circle(s). So there is that Utility to keep in mind also!
Yah im gonna test it out again in T2 tonight. I liked it for its mobility reasons. In pvp I learned how to line up targets. Ill try it.
Thanks Kola, Seis, panda for putting builds up and testing lots of stuff though. I independently came to a lot of the same conclusions, but this definitely helps the community.
@pandapaul
Have you updated your DPS guide recently? I was much more interested in it than whatever is going on here.
I've been trying to figure out the best way to increase DPS, myself, but seem somewhat at a loss.
I will try and find time to do a new one next week.. Since I put that guide up I have been tweaking it since then.. I suck at posting pics.. Maybe someone needs to post a guide how to attach decent pictures..
But I will do my best to put up a more comprehensive guide..
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2013
By the way, several suggestions have been made to me to try Daring Shout and use the 15% enhanced damage to marked targets feat. Talk about a drop in damage... huge dps loss.
I guess I'm the only person who can make battle fury work.
By the way, several suggestions have been made to me to try Daring Shout and use the 15% enhanced damage to marked targets feat. Talk about a drop in damage... huge dps loss.
I guess I'm the only person who can make battle fury work.
I think the issue here is the rotation of encounters u use
Takedown is single target and IBS can be difficult to hit multiple targets at times with its small aoe. So you are making targets with daring shout then only using encounters on a very small amount of them..
I tried battlefury.. My main issue is that u are just buffing yourself... GWF is alot about debuffing.. And I think the lack of aoe encounters misses out on alot of that..
My best rotation from what I have found is daring shout, not so fast and IBS.. The animation rotation Is very quick and u can mark targets and use your encounters before they have a chance to hit u. Sometimes even capable of stacking marks which gives massive dps bonuses.
Hello nice guide. I don’t understand it all but that’s because I’m new to the game. I've haven't really decided what my play style is but this has given me a direction to experiment with so thanks. Since I've a non human which 3 feats would you recommend dropping?
By the way, several suggestions have been made to me to try Daring Shout and use the 15% enhanced damage to marked targets feat. Talk about a drop in damage... huge dps loss.
I guess I'm the only person who can make battle fury work.
where did u test it ?its impossible to have "huge dps loss" with that, if u tested it in dugneon, did u have a CWs with high vizier or not in both runs(with or without daring shout)? because high vizier stacks can increase ur dmg even by x3 with hv stacking.
This is a sweet try, but as it stands now, CW just eat everything alive. Before you can even try to hit it.
The average CW won't. The better/elite ones will. Nothing I can do about that. But what I have that they don't is survivability, I literally never die.
We really need to get on board with the Fighter Issue, if we hope to see a positive change in either class. And not the class becoming absolutely dead as soon as a 6th class shows up to steal our 5th man spot.
We really need to get on board with the Fighter Issue, if we hope to see a positive change in either class. And not the class becoming absolutely dead as soon as a 6th class shows up to steal our 5th man spot.
btw we do not have 5th man spot in team since CB new class will take 1 CW spot and no point of strike since dev do not care instead of fixing all bad skills they mega nerfed only few good skills we had ......
The average CW won't. The better/elite ones will. Nothing I can do about that. But what I have that they don't is survivability, I literally never die.
This is why i started to love GWF, i can pop slam and unstoppable and dive into big group of mobs, when life steal keep me alive with my dps build, throw in astral shield and GG.
with the announcement of server merges cant wait to watch all these gwf that think they are better than seisem try and prove it. I will wager a key for every person that wants to try and put their builds against his, i bet he wins every time. we can just set up some pk runs and see who out dps's whom.
with the announcement of server merges cant wait to watch all these gwf that think they are better than seisem try and prove it. I will wager a key for every person that wants to try and put their builds against his, i bet he wins every time. we can just set up some pk runs and see who out dps's whom.
So u say Sieisem is GWF GOD. good some ppl need god to pray too, have fun .
I wonder when ppl will understand there is nothign special by topping dps chart as GWF, the KEY is POSITIONING
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pandapaulMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 424Bounty Hunter
with the announcement of server merges cant wait to watch all these gwf that think they are better than seisem try and prove it. I will wager a key for every person that wants to try and put their builds against his, i bet he wins every time. we can just set up some pk runs and see who out dps's whom.
I would take that bet no problems..
Although pk I don't agree with given it provides absolutely no challenges.. Heck I stopped running pirate 4 months ago
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I would take that bet no problems..
Although pk I don't agree with given it provides absolutely no challenges.. Heck I stopped running pirate 4 months ago
I don't know why she put this on the forums... but I think she is talking about your build vs mine in terms of overall dps, kills, etc. She only mentioned PK because its fast and easy dps test. We aren't going to waste our time carrying anybody on the forums through other T2.
By the way, lot of profit to be made when you can do 5x PK runs (all legit) on DD reset. You should try more often than every 4 months. There is absolutely no gear for most of us to gain anywhere else, so everything is for sale. It's by far the fastest run with the most to gain from it without cheating.
So u say Sieisem is GWF GOD. good some ppl need god to pray too, have fun .
I wonder when ppl will understand there is nothign special by topping dps chart as GWF, the KEY is POSITIONING
I never asked for her to put this up here, but we have had several people from the forums come whisper us for demonstrations on how to be successful as not only a gwf but as a guild in PVE content.
pandapaulMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 424Bounty Hunter
edited October 2013
My position is abit different..
I never said GWF can't be decent in pve.. It can.. But!! Yes there are massive but!
U need far superior gear, better skill, more testing of builds
And some classes will still offer more to a party without having much of the above.. And our class suffers because of that..
I also try and help people. I have around 7 active GWfs that I give advice too on the beholder server.. I take time to talk to them and see how they are going.. And they are not guildies.. Just random GWfs that have approached me..
But hey I'm always up for a test to see how things stack up.. I still believe I run a very good dps destroyer build.. I'm willing to test it..
And with pk I understand what you mean.. But grinding an easy dungeon 5 times in a hour seems to bit bland to me.. When I got skilled enough to run CN.. That's pretty much all I ran.. With the odd t2 run here and there.. Cause like the idea of a test rather than something easy..
But when the merge comes I'm very happy to pt up and see how it goes.. I have already done pts with most the other top GWfs on beholder.. The closest anyone has got was within about 15% of my dps
Maybe here is not best place to ask but Seisem (or any other) do you know do this things stack:
Student of the Sword
Your critical strikes lower your targets Defense by 3/6/9/12/15% for 5 seconds. Stacks up to 3 times.
and
Plague Fire
+7.5% Fire damage. Burn for 2.5% damage per second for 3s and reduce def by 15%, can be stacked 3 times.
Because if they stack this is -90% def then our ArP and and enemy Def are useless - no ?
Or do Student of the Sword stack with Teror
You deal an additional 12% of weapon damage as Necrotic damage with every swing and induce terror in your foe, reducing their Defense by 20%.
Here Defense reduce is 65%.
Thanks.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited October 2013
Sorry I haven't posted sooner.
I run multiple sets too depending on where we are going. I have been using 4/4 Avatar more recently, even though I'm losing some arm pen and defense. The set bonus is nice for unlimited trash.
The only reason PK was suggested is because it is nothing but mobs over and over and it is a quick run. We can really go anywhere, but honestly my guild isn't really here to hold anybody's hand that isn't serious about playing with us. PK is fast simple and you can get an idea where you stand on DPS. If I want to test somebody out, I use nearly the same group every time. You are expected to bring your A game every time, whether doing MC or doing Cloak Tower. I'm only going to do more dps in dungeons that take longer, that is how it works really.
Survivability in CN is interesting that you bring up. I actually was main tanking it with my GWF while our MT GF was away on military duty. I will swap in Roar with 4/4 Avatar for CN as I can just run ahead, roar the group, get unstoppable and mow them down with WMS. Once unstoppable is over, withing 1 sec I'm back at almost full determination and can repeat the process again. I'm almost immune to damage during that phase. Works really nice.
Anyways, I will see you some time on the Dragon server.
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I actually have about 800 on this build that I have posted and noticed the returns aren't very good. That is why I slot more defense.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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Anyways, it is your playstyle and I can respect it.
I tested the constitution arm pen and I found it gives you none. As offensive stat, at least.
Done with only sword on test dummies. 30 hits each. Test server.
My observation.. It isn't good at all! It's plain bad!
I would recommend trying something else.. The only useful bit of battlefury was refilling stamina.. The extra AP and damage is easily beat by slotting another encounter. I observed over this time around a 10% drop in dps
Have you updated your DPS guide recently? I was much more interested in it than whatever is going on here.
I've been trying to figure out the best way to increase DPS, myself, but seem somewhat at a loss.
The damage on punishing charge though seems so weak. I used to use it all the time for my "fly around the map, distract people, while other people kill build" (Mighty leap, punishing charge, flourish off angles) in PVP. The AP gain is decent. But I cant get over the little damage, and how it doesn't work properly with gash. I retested it in PVE in sharandar after you mentioned it again Kola in a previous post, I still do not like the damage; for strictly AP gain, as long as you can line up the targets and hit 4-5 every time its pretty sweet (but nothing like roar used to be). Maybe ill slot it in a t2 tonight and see what I can do with it.
IBS finishing strikes is the only AP gain really worth noticing anymore outta our encounters. (but it always was amazing, especially when we had roar. 1 good roar, few WMS to lower health, IBS finishin on 2/3/4 mobs, full AP, I believe this combo is why they nerfed roar AP gain)
Fox Stevenson - Sandblast
Oh Wonder - Without You
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
- Dylan Thomas
The damage isn't the greatest, for sure, but think of it like this... You have 3 Charges, they have a 8 Second Cool down, and you can use all 3 on the same target(s) 3 times in 2 Seconds. So, not great in Solo encounters... But you get 5 baddies in a row?
I hit for about 1k per hit, if I hit 5 baddies 3 times in 2 Seconds, that is 3k per baddie and 15k damage in total, not terrible honestly!
In solo encounters I switch to Flourish and/or use Punishing Charge more for the ability to instantly get into Flanking position, draw the boss in a different direction or GTFO of a really bad red circle(s). So there is that Utility to keep in mind also!
Thanks Kola, Seis, panda for putting builds up and testing lots of stuff though. I independently came to a lot of the same conclusions, but this definitely helps the community.
Fox Stevenson - Sandblast
Oh Wonder - Without You
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
- Dylan Thomas
I will try and find time to do a new one next week.. Since I put that guide up I have been tweaking it since then.. I suck at posting pics.. Maybe someone needs to post a guide how to attach decent pictures..
But I will do my best to put up a more comprehensive guide..
I guess I'm the only person who can make battle fury work.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
I think the issue here is the rotation of encounters u use
Takedown is single target and IBS can be difficult to hit multiple targets at times with its small aoe. So you are making targets with daring shout then only using encounters on a very small amount of them..
I tried battlefury.. My main issue is that u are just buffing yourself... GWF is alot about debuffing.. And I think the lack of aoe encounters misses out on alot of that..
My best rotation from what I have found is daring shout, not so fast and IBS.. The animation rotation Is very quick and u can mark targets and use your encounters before they have a chance to hit u. Sometimes even capable of stacking marks which gives massive dps bonuses.
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where did u test it ?its impossible to have "huge dps loss" with that, if u tested it in dugneon, did u have a CWs with high vizier or not in both runs(with or without daring shout)? because high vizier stacks can increase ur dmg even by x3 with hv stacking.
The average CW won't. The better/elite ones will. Nothing I can do about that. But what I have that they don't is survivability, I literally never die.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
We really need to get on board with the Fighter Issue, if we hope to see a positive change in either class. And not the class becoming absolutely dead as soon as a 6th class shows up to steal our 5th man spot.
btw we do not have 5th man spot in team since CB new class will take 1 CW spot and no point of strike since dev do not care instead of fixing all bad skills they mega nerfed only few good skills we had ......
This is why i started to love GWF, i can pop slam and unstoppable and dive into big group of mobs, when life steal keep me alive with my dps build, throw in astral shield and GG.
So u say Sieisem is GWF GOD. good some ppl need god to pray too, have fun
I wonder when ppl will understand there is nothign special by topping dps chart as GWF, the KEY is POSITIONING
I would take that bet no problems..
Although pk I don't agree with given it provides absolutely no challenges.. Heck I stopped running pirate 4 months ago
I don't know why she put this on the forums... but I think she is talking about your build vs mine in terms of overall dps, kills, etc. She only mentioned PK because its fast and easy dps test. We aren't going to waste our time carrying anybody on the forums through other T2.
By the way, lot of profit to be made when you can do 5x PK runs (all legit) on DD reset. You should try more often than every 4 months. There is absolutely no gear for most of us to gain anywhere else, so everything is for sale. It's by far the fastest run with the most to gain from it without cheating.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
I never asked for her to put this up here, but we have had several people from the forums come whisper us for demonstrations on how to be successful as not only a gwf but as a guild in PVE content.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
I never said GWF can't be decent in pve.. It can.. But!! Yes there are massive but!
U need far superior gear, better skill, more testing of builds
And some classes will still offer more to a party without having much of the above.. And our class suffers because of that..
I also try and help people. I have around 7 active GWfs that I give advice too on the beholder server.. I take time to talk to them and see how they are going.. And they are not guildies.. Just random GWfs that have approached me..
But hey I'm always up for a test to see how things stack up.. I still believe I run a very good dps destroyer build.. I'm willing to test it..
And with pk I understand what you mean.. But grinding an easy dungeon 5 times in a hour seems to bit bland to me.. When I got skilled enough to run CN.. That's pretty much all I ran.. With the odd t2 run here and there.. Cause like the idea of a test rather than something easy..
But when the merge comes I'm very happy to pt up and see how it goes.. I have already done pts with most the other top GWfs on beholder.. The closest anyone has got was within about 15% of my dps
Student of the Sword and
Plague Fire
Because if they stack this is -90% def then our ArP and and enemy Def are useless - no ?
Or do Student of the Sword stack with Teror
Here Defense reduce is 65%.
Thanks.
I run multiple sets too depending on where we are going. I have been using 4/4 Avatar more recently, even though I'm losing some arm pen and defense. The set bonus is nice for unlimited trash.
The only reason PK was suggested is because it is nothing but mobs over and over and it is a quick run. We can really go anywhere, but honestly my guild isn't really here to hold anybody's hand that isn't serious about playing with us. PK is fast simple and you can get an idea where you stand on DPS. If I want to test somebody out, I use nearly the same group every time. You are expected to bring your A game every time, whether doing MC or doing Cloak Tower. I'm only going to do more dps in dungeons that take longer, that is how it works really.
Survivability in CN is interesting that you bring up. I actually was main tanking it with my GWF while our MT GF was away on military duty. I will swap in Roar with 4/4 Avatar for CN as I can just run ahead, roar the group, get unstoppable and mow them down with WMS. Once unstoppable is over, withing 1 sec I'm back at almost full determination and can repeat the process again. I'm almost immune to damage during that phase. Works really nice.
Anyways, I will see you some time on the Dragon server.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting