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hello guy's
been playng Rogue in pvp for a while...( after i max geared ) Nonstop PVP.
Lately...it seems that stealth..either is bugged..either people using Stealth radar ( thanks to our dear <omitted> and other important names that ruin this game with exploits)
Its true..that rogue in stealth..sometimes u can see him..for 1 sec or to..if he is stationary.
Is true that sometimes stealth bugged.
And is true that..it maybe coincidence..and they just random hit u.
It's been over a week now....and i feal that my Stealh is useless now ( im perma stealth)
It seems 90% of pvpers ( the capped ones at least ) know's were's my position..had many dubious deaths..like im in stealth..and they chase me till stealth end.
Crypt..please ban some more..and take a look into this bug :stealth radar : that allows players to see Rogues in stealth.
Whats the point of stealth..if almoust all the *cool* dudes exploit it..and makes it vizibile.
I dont wana point fingers...But realy gime a break..sick of beeing hit while in stealth ( and no.. i keep distance ofc ..but they know my location ).
How i know about this hack ???Many knows about it and not happy about it.
IF Crypt could fix that....
been playng Rogue in pvp for a while...( after i max geared ) Nonstop PVP.
Lately...it seems that stealth..either is bugged..either people using Stealth radar ( thanks to our dear <omitted> and other important names that ruin this game with exploits)
Its true..that rogue in stealth..sometimes u can see him..for 1 sec or to..if he is stationary.
Is true that sometimes stealth bugged.
And is true that..it maybe coincidence..and they just random hit u.
It's been over a week now....and i feal that my Stealh is useless now ( im perma stealth)
It seems 90% of pvpers ( the capped ones at least ) know's were's my position..had many dubious deaths..like im in stealth..and they chase me till stealth end.
Crypt..please ban some more..and take a look into this bug :stealth radar : that allows players to see Rogues in stealth.
Whats the point of stealth..if almoust all the *cool* dudes exploit it..and makes it vizibile.
I dont wana point fingers...But realy gime a break..sick of beeing hit while in stealth ( and no.. i keep distance ofc ..but they know my location ).
How i know about this hack ???Many knows about it and not happy about it.
IF Crypt could fix that....
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As to how players are knowing where you are positioned, even if players can't see you, their target reticules still turn red when they hover it onto your position so they will have an idea as to where you will be heading by predicting where you will be the most advantageous when positioned. Decent to awesome PVP-ers will be able to predict where permastealth players are placed. People have had a lot of time facing this type of build in PVP to the point where they have adapted and learned of the many strategies to counter stealth.
With that in mind, and all the aforementioned by the OP,I feel that there is something that allows people to see Stealth even at range. In a PVP match, I went into Stealth earlier today and was a good distance away from a CW, waiting for my cue (expecting him to attack our GWF or GF - not sure which he was but it was one of the two - who was charging in on him) then all the sudden instead of attacking him, that CW had me in the air choking the life out of me! Well, for a second, I quickly hit ItC -> Deft Strike -> Dazing Strike and the G(W)F finished him off.
Point of that being... I don't see any way he could of possibly known I was there.
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Ah well
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... I never thought to do this.. *facepalm*
xD thanks :P
I've oft wondered if I was visible to enemies in PVP in Stealth with Deathly Aura on - and I think that just answered my question...
*facepalm*
As long as no one uses my own tactic on me, im good -_-
On a side note... there are quite a few various ways to "lock on" targets... this also makes me wonder if that CW did this...
/bind CTRL+C targetCursor
/bind CTRL+R target "Setherio@setherio"
/bind CTRL+L Camsetlocktotarget 1
/bind CRTL+U Camsetlocktotarget 0
Pressing CTRL+R -> CTRL+L locks onto me (or was... CTRL+L -> CTRL+R...?) but no one should ever do that, no, never. That would be a bad idea. Everyone should use any other name than the one aforementioned.
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Actually the glow of our enchants while in stealth are only visible to us. I think it's a client-side issue. I still manage to elude my enemies even if I have the flowing smoke from Soulforged.
So I'm pretty sure it's me positioning myself badly whenever the enemies find out where I am quickly.
Oh wow, I like these tips. Thank you for sharing them. It can be a tough stalemate against a rogue, specially when he's aiming to stealth up for a long time. This should help give me a break against other sneaky TR's.
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Just don't use 'em against me
There's a few other commands that can be helpful both for rogue and (if necessary) against rogue. I personally like hardlocks on someone especially in a PVP straight up assault 5v5 in one spot. This let's me focus on purely one person, and when you dodge/roll, you do it in an arc around that person, depending on your angle, can get right behind them in a dodge roll.
Another aspect is binding the command /hardtargetlock which essentially does the same thing as above commands to whatever you are currently targetting. So, as a rogue, I usually approach carefully, someone else will go in first (at least, when I'm not the distraction), and have a key binded to HardTargetLock while pointing at the Cleric or CW (**** CW always <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> me off -_- ... present company excluded of course ^^;). Even when they teleport, it's still locked onto them. I'm not sure the range of when it unlocks (if it does?) but once you kill that person, (IIRC) it will hardlock onto the closest person to your dead foe - whether it is friend or foe. So just gotta becareful and quick to respond with these.
Also, alias' can come in handy too; using "/alias x hardtargetlock" will make "/x" do the same thing (a bit quicker to type if you haven't gotten it bound).
Another command that is good for a TR is when you are trying to help an ally in combat.
/bind CTRL+Z assist "Ally's Name"
/bind CTRL+X hardtargetlock
Pressing CTRL+Z->X will hardlock on the person your ally is targetting.
***Note: I'm not playing at the moment and trying to recall these off top of my head. Get a friend and try it out on training dummies first, I may have some of the commands slightly off - and from my experience, the assist command is a bit tricky to pull off.
These also work well in boss fights. Want me to focus on The Pirate King? No problem! I target him then /hardtargetlock - and from there on out, he's the only thing I will be focused on until his bloody thieving body lie under my stealthy feet.
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There's still a lot of commands I'm working on and messing with / trying to figure out. If you head over to Neverwinter Wiki - Console Commands It has various information on commands and the listing of all commands - though the majority of commands don't provide any information of what they do or how to use them properly but give a few educated guesses and some curiosity of it all, things'll get figured out. I need to update that page sometime soon with a lot of results I've found. >_>
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You are a permastealther who gets killed by better players than you and you cry a ban for them?
I don't even get the amount of stupidity of people in the net.
Is the blue arrow from Icy Rays visible even after we stealth up? I never really took note of this until you mentioned it. Because if so then I think we'll need to be extra wary of Oppressors from now on. As a very sneaky TR, one of the encounters I fear from CW's is Icy Terrain. Steal Time is scary when placed well, and when we have 0 dodges and ITC is on cooldown. But Icy Terrain lasts for quite some time and does a heck of a good job in doing 2 things at the same time; limiting our movement space and <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> up our rotations if we step on it. When we are trying to contest a tower, we tend to run around the tower and dodge from here and there in order to stay as mobile as possible and not get CC'd. Icy Terrain blocks out one portion of the tower for us, and after which we're limited to like, 3/4th's of the tower. Popping AoE's like Steal Time will yield higher success in catching TR's once an Icy Terrain has been put in place IMO.
Even worse is when we actually get frozen in place thanks to Icy Terrain stacking chills. I can try to dodge over Icy Terrain, but the movement speed debuff from chill will still proc. I can pop ITC to walk over it but it will not bode well for me after which if I do not have Shadow Strike out of CD. Other AoE's like the DC's Chains of Blazing Light tend to be troublesome without ITC as well.
I think the best way to catch a sneaky guy contesting a tower is covering as much space in the tower as possible with AoE's. Smoke Bomb, Path of the Blades, Chains, Icy Terrain, Steal Time, so many choices to catch sneakies that it can be a fun experience just trying to nail one of our kind.
Oh nice, just lovely. Thank you very much! I'm sifting through the commands right now and I can't wait to bind some keys. Is there any way to load a saved list of keybinds or something? I seem to remember seeing a discussion about it back in the open beta days of the game. If not then I guess I'll have to bind things from scratch.
Nonetheless you've been a great help, Setherio. I think there should be a guide for this or something similar.
I would say, "yeah, there's a command to do that, it's in the command list" but I'm not (usually) that kind of person. So, as per requested,
The following will save/load bound commands to default keybinds file (keybinds.txt)
/bind_save
/bind_load
The following will save/load to a specific text file so you can change them for various reasons, for this example, it should be obvious,
/bind_local_save_file tr_pvp.txt
/bind_local_load_file tr_pvp.txt
/bind_local_save_file tr.txt
/bind_local_load_file tr.txt
So you can make it general (/bind_save & /bind_load) or let's say for PVP you want CTRL+X to do something different than what you want it to do in PVE, you can save/load up the pvp keybinds.
*Side note: If you can figure out the /MacroExec and /MacroRun commands, that would be great
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Back to the topic at hand, a thought occured to me.... I had never tried a hardlock on a rogue *while the rogue was in stealth and unseen* in other words, I'll use myself in the example,
/bind CTRL+Z target Setherio@setherio
/bind CTRL+X hardtargetlock
Let's say Setherio is in stealth and I can't see him (out of close proximity range), I'm not sure if CTRL+Z->X would work, though hardlocking on a person in stealth while in proximity of visibility works. For example, if Setherio is in Stealth and runs next to me and I target him and hit CTRL+X I can lock onto him.
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Great, now I'm publically giving away all my little tricks
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Yes, the arrow is visible while you are in stealth. It has a time limit, though, about 5 seconds, I believe. Keep in mind, many mages use it, not just Oppressors.
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Although to create this software someone with proper skills and time needs to spend time. <- it's not as if lots of such people don't exist, just look at hacks for many other games.
I wasn't sure how to bind mouse buttons via the /bind command so I just opened keybind and made Mouse Button 4 and Mouse Button 5 my secondary buttons for At-Will 1 & 2, saved it via /bind_save and opened the keybinds file and edited them correspondingly to :
Mouse Button 4 - "hardtargetlock 1" (locks on target)
Mouse Button 5 - "hardtargetlock 0" (unlocks target lock), turned out to be:
0xf1 "hardtargetlock 1"
0xf2 "hardtargetlock 0"
This way I can easily lock/unlock. When PVP matches started I looked for enemy TR's and focused on finding them. Once I found them, I would (attempt) to lock on. There were a lot of great situations where it was 1 on 1 so I was able to easily (attempt) to lock onto them without accidentally locking onto another foe. Here is what I discovered...
You can lock onto a TR while the Rogue is in Stealth... however, there are prerequisites.
* The TR *MUST* be visible to lock onto - even if momentarily
* If the TR -enters- Stealth while you are locked on, it will unlock
* If the TR is -in- Stealth while you are locked on (whether it is proximity range or the TR is shimmering in some way) it will stay locked on even when you are unable to visible see the TR.
* If the TR uses Bloodbath, it will unlock
* If the TR runs far away enough, it will unlock
* If the TR uses Deft Strike, it will remain locked on
I'm not sure how that CW got me that one time in my aforementioned post, but this could explain a little. Whether this is a bug, exploit, or strategic playing - I'm not going to hazard a guess on that one...
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This is not entirely true. There are many Radar Hacks (Scripts) out there which players are, and have for a long time been using. Some of these do in fact show the location of Stealthed players, most likely due to Stealth mechanic not actually removing the player from actual Game-play. It only takes a few moments searching to find many sites offering such things, some are pay sites, others ask that you do other stuff. I do not suggest any of them as it is highly probable that you end up with nasty Worms, or worse on your system, but people are using them more and more as time progresses.
I have to assume that the same people coding these, are also the ones coding the script engines which grant such things as Unlimited Stamina, permanent Impossible to Catch invulnerability mode, truly permanent Stealth, >x2 Speed movement and attack speed.
As far as I can tell, these are all Client side script engines people are running, possibly Hex-Editing. Earlier today, I followed around, and watch an Rogue player in Realm of Malabog, as they killed mobs off for about twenty-five minutes without once dropping out of Stealth, nor did they once use Bait and Switch, or Shadow Strike, they were using only Lashing Blade, Duelist's Flurry, Impact Shot, and Blitz, but for about twenty-five minutes (till I became bored of watching) not once did they ever drop out of Stealth.
I have witnessed the same basic thing/event with GWFs who use that Classes Stealth feat/feature, though this person I only watched for about ten minutes. The player was in GWF invisible mode with the red rings around him/her for ten minutes and not once did they drop from it.
Sadly, due to lack of controlling such things, not only are there now many players using such scripts, but there are entire guilds which use them, both in PvP, and PvE now.
I sincerely hope Cryptic gets the ball rolling on spotting these players, banning them, as well as finding ways to break/block these scripts.
I tested it in a abandoned game where people left since they realized there was a bot in their team.
The bot jumped down from the camp, I went stealth and kept a distance from it like 60 ft (in-game) away. Like a miracle, it ran straight to me who was in stealth without any debuff or weapon/armor enchantment and able to chase me when I changed direction while I was still in stealth.
Perhaps, bots also use the target lock key binds like others' post above me or they use something else even more malicious. However, this shows that it is possible to achieve what OP called "stealth radar".
You guys should pop over to the CW forum. There are many, many, many threads about how OP 'perma' stealth TRs are and how to deal with them
However you lot probably need to think about how to deal with CWs that pop icy terrain or steal time. This happened earlier today : me 1v1 on a TR on our home point. He stealthed and after a bit of poor play from me took me down without much effort. I slot Steal Time and ride back to the point. He sees me coming and stealths. A few daggers come my way and I hit Steal Time which does enough damage to unstealth him. He seemed completely unprepared for this and I burned him down in a few seconds.
I'm quite pleased about this, but if I were a TR I think I'd worry less about people being able to track me (a bit) or force me out of stealth and think more about what to do when it happens.
Agreed to all of this. If I know there's a perma on a point, Steal Time (and possible Icy Terrian) is slotted. 9 times out of 10 it's easy to find a TR this way. I also use Oppressive Force (daily), with a massive AoE. All of these very easily break a TRs stealth.
One point about Icy Rays: The blue arrow is only visible to the CW, not the rest of his team. It has about five seconds before it expires.
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Is that game still in beta test? every tooltip says only 30% of info, some of them simply lie, some mechanics not working, private wow servers had less bugs
This and if you are hit with some sort of projectile (cloud of steel, for example) they stay in your body for a few seconds afterwards. So, the players could be following that too.
Lantern of Revelation and Divine Sunburst can, rarely, bring them out of Stealth. But if they are stealthed and moving, there is no way to see them. Weapon enchants certainly do not glow or sparkle, unless they are really rare enchants from lockboxes which I have not come up against yet in the last 4 months.
And trust me - I have looked.
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