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Bis Armor and Lashing Strike just hit me for 29k????
joncans
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Watching my combat log, this TR was tearing up a match today, 26-0 at the end. I wear full Timeless as a GF, and yes his Lashing Strike hit for 29k. What is the point of armor anymore, seriously? That is a stupidly powerful attack. To boot, he was stealth, popped out immune and then hit me. This game sometimes......
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Funnily enough, they were actually nerfed in Feywild. Before that they could hit 60k in pvp with max gear!
The number of times I've been one-shot from full on my High Vizier CW (a defensive set) is quite disturbing let alone lose half my health via a single Impact Shot, though not since Feywild has the former happened yet.
Just watch your back and if you are 1v1 a TR with that gear, either run away to another point or learn the skill of goading him by blocking while preparing to immediately Frontline Surge behind you.
Also, to be fair to the TR, Timeless is hardly a defensive set on a GF (in fact I cannot think of a more offensive set). Relying on that set alone for extra survival in pvp is silly...
The point of this QQ is...hmmm, my armor. Even before patch it was near 2 mil AD. I want it to actually you know, work?
It works very well IF your objective is most kills in pvp (with some skill and dps build) or highest damage in pve...
What else do you expect from it?
sorry for bad eng
It doesn't happen often, but the point is, at that level of gear (15.1 is my GS) I should NEVER be one shotted.
What's your mitigation? Mine is around 46% and I still have not been one-shotted by either a TR or CW.
56% damage resist (DR)
It's 40%, a little low, but not horrible. FYI, when they pop from stealth and are immune, Bull Charge DOESN'T work, so that counter is null.
Block. Seriously. As soon as they pop out of stealth or begin hitting you with daggers, block.
If they pop out of stealth and have ItC on then they don't have a guaranteed crit from LB. If they're a well built TR then they will have a very high crit chance anyway, but you have about three seconds to block before you can hit them with a knockback/prone attack.
Soo the logic is, a stealth TR which is INVISIBLE. Breaks stealth for a BONUS 3 seconds of IMMUNITY. 3 seconds of blocking will shred my block meter. Add to boot my encounters as a GF all have significant CD's and that fight is very one sided.
You have no chance agans't a skilled tr bro the problem is not with 1vs1 they kill me only if i am faced cw or another ppl i have no time to counter but i have still full hp and 56% dr and 30% deflect and one shooted, you know i almost reached max def stat and if i am not faced tr i am one shooted out of combat whit no chance to res by tm getting 20 sec to lay low and as i say perfect soul.f not proc 5sec immortality !
i think you never played aganst a skilled tr with high gs i have no problem with low graded 1 hit 7-8k gs tr
Keep in mind, the top 1% TRs stack Greater Tenebrous. Between lockboxes, bans, and people being bored with how limited PVP is, there's not a lot of those TRs left. Even so, a TR who stacks ArP and has a greater/perfect Vorpal can dish out some damage.
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This game needs to have Dmg Mitigration sorted I agree. The way the formula for Armour Pen works is rediculus, combine that with the stacking of debuffs, and Dmg Mitigration pretty much have no use in PVP.
I agree not much left, not much have 3k armor pen and perfect vorpal i am sure ,but if you play you realize they share the tactic and more and more tr come to game. Yesterday was the first time i leave dpvp i saw enemy team 4 tr atomatic leave . Its super easy to get 3k arp and perfect vorpal you only need real money and this will be a game killer .
Look bro i have 30 % deflect think about what you say and have 1200 regen have 26 con with 9% healt bonus from feat and still have 29 k hp i must change my style because SB is wortless 48% dmr 37k hp 20% deflect one shooted from tr 46k dmg lol i dont think any one can conter this not with full hp or full deflect think about 60k base hit full hp is S.....t
full deflect is s...t too i go for middle hp def power deflect and def grand r.
and i can easly kill timless gf they do no dmg to me why:???? can i ask why?max critt i got was 6 k (k Chalange + lure
My main is a CW. I bear the brunt of TR aggression, believe me. It's tough, but there are tactics you can use against them. I always say my biggest problem is a well-geared rogue. Fortunately they die quickly once stealth and ITC fades. The issue is making it through that.
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I had a TR kill me in one shot today, totally annoyed that he was able to do it, before I could permanently knock him back until he was dead.
This game is so unfair!
So here is some actual logic for you. Stealth is a core mechanic of the TR class. Block (and Mark, but that's not relevant here - unless you have already marked the TR as soon as you saw them so you can more easily keep track of the them stealth - but clearly everyone already knew that) is a core mechanic of the GF class. When a GF blocks, even the most overgeared TR's aren't going to be able to kill them and certainly not with a one shot. If a GF isn't blocking but is instead trying to go toe-to-toe with the class that is meant to do single target damage, then the GF is basically saying "by all means, please stick a dagger through the visor of my helmet! Here, I'll even lean forward to make it easier!" And then following that up with "Ow, my eye! You stuck a dagger through my bloody eye! That's not fair!"
If you want to keep your cooldowns low, stack recovery. TR's also have high cool down skills, although the Swash set comes with a lot of recovery to help defray that.
You are luck of experience block is not 360' only 160 ' maybe. If you figth somone have full hp mybe 50% block meter and lashed from behind hou the F??? can you block it ? whats you char name and witch server are you play i have a lvl 60 tr too i have only 2k arp and have only g vorpal but i can lash y out easly no matter hou hard you think u are .
look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6nLETM70AI
i am on beholder mybe its server problem but i have big problem's with skilled graded tr s
LOL, I'm on Mindflayer and so are some amazing TR's. Still haven't been one-shotted by any of them.
Block does work in more than a frontal arc, you might have noticed some non-GF's complaining about it. Side Note: That is unfortunately a continuing and common theme here, that people complain about other classes without knowing anything about how that class works.
GF constants for effective and easier PvP: Mark the TR, block when they are in stealth, keep moving so that they can't get behind you. If you really want to spend a lot of time in PvP, you will gain the experience of being able to more or less gauge how quickly the TR is coming at you. Most of them will simply drive straight at you, trusting in stealth to hide them. If they're going to pop ItC and lose the guaranteed crit, bear in mind that Frontline Surge has an AoE of roughly three characters wide and outranges someone coming in to stab you. Most likely they have Sneak Attack and one of the Infiltrator skills slotted, so no Tactics, meaning one FS and their stealth is gone. They have to either Smoke Bomb, Bait-and-Switch, or ItC to avoid your follow ups.
Mybe in mindflayer you have 360' degree and you can mark what you dont see and you can't read what i scribe i have tr too specific i have all class lvl 60 , and you are a super pro player with garbage gear and you can stay 5 vs 1 easly nice for you . I can't say anithing more to you ,i still think you never meet a rly good tr and , you dont understand i have no problem if 1 vs1 the problem is when you face another ppl and you got monster dmg from behind .
1 thing i agree we not talk about the shame thing and issue-)
Deflect... lol. It don't help your block(deflection don't work with it only DR do it). So some small attacks hit hard then on your block. Only good to avoid some attack debuffs or big incomings! It's sometime real stupid how low my DR is in PvP.
What you say about 'Block does work in more than a frontal arc, you might have noticed some non-GF's complaining about it'
is still false. Latency is the key for this happening. How often i raise my shield to block an incoming attack and it hit me through it?! One Boss and some skills do their debuffs through block too. Working as intended?
I'm going to guess that this is a language issue for you.
Mark the TR when you can see them, the mark remains visible in stealth and it makes tracking them easier. Most players don't use mark in PvP, which is silly.
Please have at least the basic courtesy to recognize that because someone has had a different experience than you and responds based on that to not attempt to denigrate them.
But yes, in general my GF does very well against PUG PvP groups. When playing team pre-made vs. pre-made it is a much more interesting match. Any reasonably well-geared GF played with some degree of competency will also do well in the former circumstance.
Where is the rest of your team when two of the other team are beating on you?
56%dr high deflect or 46 %dr mid deflect so 3000 armor pen 30% - to your dr g r26% stil hit you 44400 deflected 22200 almost eat y 75% hp / t.h 16% dr 50400 dmg low chance to deflect 25200 dmg eat you 80% hp if you have 30k so you have 5 k hp if you deflected it nice wow now you are eaten by 1 single at-will( can bypass block) if you are not one hitted look guys its not happen every time but if my enemy got op tr it happens and its frustrating you have the best defense and it can' be happen.